Getting a left-over tag

[coues7]

What is going to be the process for getting a left-over tag? The pdf with the left-over tags on it states that the AZGFD will accept applications on Aug 20, 2007. Is it still first come first serve or are they going to go through the draw again?

 

Thanks

[Arizona Griz]

I believe it is first come first served thru the mail after the acceptance date.

[davecinaz]

I believe it is first come first served thru the mail after the acceptance date.

I think I read the mail in date starts August 20th - does that sound right?

[oneshotonekill]

Hey Scott,

 

I heard that the G&F are making the left over tags a second draw instead of first come first serve. You might want to chack it out.

[coues7]

I just spoke with the AZGFD Tucson office. The left over tags are first-come first-serve as always. NO SECOND DRAW.

 

coues7

[John O]

I just called the AZGF in Phoenix, and asked for the draw dept. They told me they are accepting applications as early as the 13th, because that was the original date on the reg's, and those without computer access may not have heard about the change to the 20th. On the 21st, all of the applications received will go into a pile, and they will be drawn. This sounded different than what the reg's stated, and so I called back and actually asked a different person in the draw dept., and got the exact same answer. As you know I am trying to get a tag for my son, so I am trying to give him the best chance. It does seem a little misleading for them to tell us the draw is first come first serve starting on the 20th, when they are accepting applications starting on the 13th, and that it is a draw. It might not be a bad idea for others to call, to verify the information I received.

[Outdoor Writer]

I just called the AZGF in Phoenix, and asked for the draw dept. They told me they are accepting applications as early as the 13th, because that was the original date on the reg's, and those without computer access may not have heard about the change to the 20th. On the 21st, all of the applications received will go into a pile, and they will be drawn. This sounded different than what the reg's stated, and so I called back and actually asked a different person in the draw dept., and got the exact same answer. As you know I am trying to get a tag for my son, so I am trying to give him the best chance. It does seem a little misleading for them to tell us the draw is first come first serve starting on the 20th, when they are accepting applications starting on the 13th, and that it is a draw. It might not be a bad idea for others to call, to verify the information I received.

 

Hang loose, folks. I just put in a call, skirting the normal channels of information. I'm waiting for the call back with the ACCURATE info on this. -TONY

[Outdoor Writer]

Okay, here's how it is going to work for the leftover permits because of the screw up

 

You fill out your app and mail it so it gets there ON AUG. 13 or LATER, NOT BEFORE! All of those envelopes that arrive between Aug. 13 and Aug. 20 will be thoroughly mixed in one big bag with those that arrive on the 20th. They will then pull one sealed envelope at a time and fill the leftovers on that type of first-come basis.

 

THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SORT OF COMPUTER DRAWING/LOTTERY, per se, so bonus points have no relevance. -TONY

[Arizona Griz]

That sure is not first come first served. Just another thing to go wrong. Hopefully someday they will stick to what they print in the regulations like they used to.

[Outdoor Writer]

Chris,

 

This is EXACTLY how the first-come thing works every year -- i.e. drawing envelopes one at a time from a common pile/bag.

 

Why?

 

Because when the postman brings mail to G&F, it all comes in one huge mailbag; it's not delivered one envelope at a time. Same applies to emptying the drop box in G&F's parking lot. So they would have no idea which envelope was the "first-come" when there might be a few thousand in that bag and drop box for only a 1,000 or so available permits.

 

The only difference this time is the week-long grace period because of the foul-up that occurred. So in effect, because not every hunter who might wish to apply would be notified of the later date, they ARE using the original date in the regs, while still including those who now think the 20th is the start date. -TONY

[Red Rabbit]

Sounds like a better deal to me. Now you do not have to worry about the USPS delivering a day early, or routing it through San Francisco and missing the draw. Thanks for inquiring, Tony

 

RR

[Outdoor Writer]

Agree, Doug. Certainly a lot less worry about getting the app there on the right day. -TONY

[Ron G.]

Probably a stupid question, but if I wanted to try and get 'drawn' with a couple of buddies for the leftover tags, we could all put in on the same application, same as the regular draw, correct?

 

More of a everyone or no one route. Understand that if there is 50 permits, and at #49 they draw the application with three names on it they toss it and go to the next. Is that correct also?

 

Thanks for the additional information on getting it in before the 20th!

[Outdoor Writer]

Probably a stupid question, but if I wanted to try and get 'drawn' with a couple of buddies for the leftover tags, we could all put in on the same application, same as the regular draw, correct?

 

More of a everyone or no one route. Understand that if there is 50 permits, and at #49 they draw the application with three names on it they toss it and go to the next. Is that correct also?

 

Thanks for the additional information on getting it in before the 20th!

 

Ron,

 

Yes, more than one can apply on the same app just as with the regular draw. BUT...if there are 4 on the app and only 3 permits or such left for your 1st choice, no one gets one. If you have a 2nd choice listed, same deal. Also see my later reply about the hunt choices. -TONY

[Arizona Griz]

Chris,

 

This is EXACTLY how the first-come thing works every year -- i.e. drawing envelopes one at a time from a common pile/bag.

 

Why?

 

Because when the postman brings mail to G&F, it all comes in one huge mailbag; it's not delivered one envelope at a time. Same applies to emptying the drop box in G&F's parking lot. So they would have no idea which envelope was the "first-come" when there might be a few thousand in that bag and drop box for only a 1,000 or so available permits.

 

The only difference this time is the week-long grace period because of the foul-up that occurred. So in effect, because not every hunter who might wish to apply would be notified of the later date, they ARE using the original date in the regs, while still including those who now think the 20th is the start date. -TONY

 

I should have thought of that before I posted. Thanks for keeping me on the ball Tony. I am a little slow today.