AZ G&F Major Draw Problems-BE AWARE

[txspeck]

To All:

 

I spoke with Game and Fish just yesterday to find out why my results did not show anything for spring turkey or bison. It did show I drew tag# 9999 for archery javelina and that was on November 29th (a Sunday). The response I received from G&F is a little alarming to say the least. The draw (online apps) was so screwed up this time a lot of us that thought we were in the draw actually never were.

 

Here are the FACTS as I know them:

 

1. Several "hundred" applications never made it to the draw pile and remained in 'limbo' status

2. G&F stated they were experiencing severe IT issues that really messed things up

3. G&F is supposed to call (I never heard anything yet) every affected applicant to offer 2 remedies (which I find insulting) a. Refund of the $13 or b. 1 Bonus Point

4. I was told it is safer to go back to old school applications (paper apps plus paying FULL tag fees up front again)

5. I was charged and the $13 taken out of my account for all 3 apps, only 1 made it into the draw which was the one I wanted the least (javelina)

6. Having my printed receipts for the tag application fees may have saved me from a he said/she said moment

 

I am going to write, which is probably useless, to AZGF to voice my serious complaint over this debacle. To only offer a refund (which means loss of banked points) or just a bonus point is not right. I would not want to ask for a complete re-draw which would not be fair to those who were lucky enough to even get into the draw and get a tag. I would ask G&F to at the LEAST offer those who thought they were in the draw and never got in 2 points per affected species at a minimum.

 

I have never voiced my concerns or issue with G&F who have a very difficult job with low pay (compared to other LEO agencies) and could use more help in my opinion. This issue of constant problems with the online draw process is completely unacceptable when surrounding western states have been doing it for years with scant a hiccup.

 

I am asking anyone affected in this way, as I was, to PLEASE contact everyone you can in upper management at AZGF to demand a different compensation that what is currently being given out. To offer me only a refund or 1 bonus point (which I would have received anyway if not drawn) is total B.S. . With the way this draw system works (or not works as the case may be) I had a okay chance at a Goulds tag with the number of points I'm sitting on right now. I for dang sure am not going to draw anything if my application never even makes it into the draw.

 

Rant over. I CANT WAIT FOR ELK/ANTELOPE with this jewel of a draw system!

 

CALL AZ GAME AND FISH AND VOICE YOUR CONCERNS!

This issue can be fixed if enough of us hunters, fisherman or anyone who gives the G&F money throws the BS flag and asks for change!

[trphyhntr]

I heard a story once, a guy somehow didn't get put in the draw for bighorn and Azgfd gave him a bighorn tag. Year 2000, for Rocky.

[elkaholic]

tzspeck- with 31 posts you are most likely fairly new to the site

 

most of us on here have been lets just say 'disappointed " with the draw application online system / process for several years .

 

the safer part about paper apps is rather funny-- as they G&F wants to do away with it completely - lol

 

I'll not go into the "rant " stage and just say a lot of hunters have been experiencing major draw problems the past several years and from the looks of it nothing will change in the near future

 

calling /writing and complaining usually falls on deaf ears when it comes to G&F

[wish2hunt]

I have to agree with elkaholic, nothing will be done about it!!!

[bonecollector777]

I'm not sure why you think you would deserve 2 points in return? I could see 1 point AND your money back but no reason for 2 points. But either way in the end it's just a turkey and javelina. And unfortunately nothing is gonna change because they don't have to change! No competition means they can do what they want how they want and know we can't go anywhere else. I really thought they had it figured out recently and then on the easiest draw they blow it!

[hoghntr]

I got 2 tags this draw and personally feel they should do the whole draw over since it was not fair to everyone involved.

 

Nothing has changed guys! Many years back they handed me my sealed app envelope with my check still inside and i hardly got a sorry from them. Many many MANY people have been left out of draw process its just that now days we have public forums like this where we can all chat about it.

 

SOMETHING TELLS ME THEY SHOULD DO DRAW THEN CHECK ONCE THEN TWICE THEN A THIRD TIME BEFORE ANY DRAW SUCCESS DETAILS ARE. RELEASED. IMHO

[wildwoody]

+1

[Guest 300ultramag.]

I'd like to see if any g&f employees were not in the draw. Seems like a solid way for someone to better their odds (jump in front of the line so to speak)on a technicality. And the response is oops.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

Sorry not sorry mentality.

[HuntHarder]

You figured it out, G&F employees wanted to get ahead of the line for a Javelina and Turkey tag...

[trphyhntr]

id love to know the trade secrets of the AZ big game draw.

[5guyshunting]

id love to know the trade secrets of the AZ big game draw.

It could be the nympho blonde you have thrown into the mix.

[Edge]

Do other states have these draw problems or are we just blessed?

[wish2hunt]

I think we are blessed.

[cactusjack]

My only bitch, that I am going to put here, is that we are held to a higher standard and responsible for our actions. We are the customers, they are the provider of the service. We make a mistake, ie, misunderstanding with the girl at Walmart that sold you a resident license because you have a AZ Drivers license, wrong species, wrong sex, wrong turn and you end up in the wrong area,.... There are many others, read the monthly release of people who cant hunt for 1 to 3 to 5 years. If they make a mistake, it is human error or IT complications, so sorry... We expected to do our due diligence but they are exempt. We are paying them to do a job, attention to detail is required.

I'm a manager at my company. If my guys make a mistake, its ultimately my fault. I either didn't supervise them or train them well enough. My customers do not care why I failed them, they will go elsewhere if I do not resolve the problem. Seems to be the opposite here. Bitch session put on pause...