Outdoor Writer Report post Posted July 16, 2007 DB, Baiting was indeed legal here at one time for the spring hunts, which is probably why you remember all the specifics being listed. And you are correct that the game department phased out the baiting as per its rules rather than state law. Having discussed this quite a bit with G&F folks when it happened, I'm aware of the main reason for it; it was to prempt a strike by the animal rights folks to put another initiative on the ballot to outlaw the spring bear season altogether, as they managed to do in Colorado and as they did here with the steel-jawed traps. THAT would have been state law and irreversible if done by initiative. As it now stands, G&F could bring back bear baiting again with a simple rule change. Don't hold your breath, though. In fact, don't be surprised if ALL baiting is banned not too far in the furture. -TONY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 As far as the baiting goes, when in bear country, I'm only using products that are specifically labeled, marketed & intended for deer, as baiting for bears is not allowed. If a bear comes into it, he'll be shot with a camera & his picture posted here for all to enjoy. The regs. say you can not intentionally use any substance to attract or take bear. Period. As for screw-in steps, I just got off the phone w/ the Alpine Range District Office, & according to them, they do not currently have a law against using the steps, but strongly discourage it, due to the damage they cause to the trees. They told me that any type of wound that penetrates through the bark increases the chance for parasites & disease to enter & subsequently kill the tree. That's for the Apache Sitgreaves NF, it may be different where you intend to hunt. As for the initial question, as far as I'm concerned if someone already has a blind built, treestand hung, salt lick out, bait set-up, or whatever, & it's obviously being actively maintained, it comes down to a question of courtesy. IMO, the courteous thing to do is find another spot. They beat you there, so deal with it & move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted July 16, 2007 The regs. say you can not intentionally use any substance to attract or take bear. Period. The key word in the above is INTENTIONALLY. As Wakling explained, there is no way they would prosecute a deer hunter using salt if it attracted a bear even if a game officer cited him. He said there would be no way to prove that hunter's INTENT to attract a bear. -TONY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Exactly why I only use stuff marketed for deer. Note 1 in the regs for bear hunting, however, specifically states, "No person shall knowingly use any substance as bait at any time to attract or take bear." If a bear is hitting your salt lick, you'd better leave him alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Exactly why I only use stuff marketed for deer. Note 1 in the regs for bear hunting, however, specifically states, "No person shall knowingly use any substance as bait at any time to attract or take bear." If a bear is hitting your salt lick, you'd better leave him alone. But if he is hitting your spring/water hole you better put an arrow in his ribs! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Exactly why I only use stuff marketed for deer. Note 1 in the regs for bear hunting, however, specifically states, "No person shall knowingly use any substance as bait at any time to attract or take bear." If a bear is hitting your salt lick, you'd better leave him alone. In this one, the key word is KNOWINGLY. The point of the rule is to keep someone from PURPOSELY attracting bears, especially if you have a bear tag in your pocket. In any case, yes, best to just watch or take photos. -TONY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 But if he is hitting your spring/water hole you better put an arrow in his ribs! You can count on that. You can also count on the next one sneakin up on me while I'm elk calling getting stuck, or at least the next one that does it after 8/31. Anyone that does it between now & then gets the kodak bullet & maybe some pepper spray if he wants to "investigate" too closely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted July 16, 2007 discourage it, due to the damage they cause to the trees. They told me that any type of wound that penetrates through the bark increases the chance for parasites & disease to enter & subsequently kill the tree Kill all the wood peckers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GameHauler Report post Posted July 16, 2007 As far as salt I know that the Forrest service puts out salt for the animals "(period)" GH, what's up with ending all your replies with "(period)" That's just to much information for us here on CWT to handle. Keep your monthly problems to yourself please. M77- On your topic of SPORTSMANSHIP, it is ILLEGAL to place a salt lick on Public Land. The ethics of this topic went out the door with the first hunter placing the salt lick (period). Answer your question Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m77 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Hey, has anyone here used Farwest Pumping Company out of Tucson. I was thinking about hiring them to drill me a well I can use to create a waterhole, set up my own Texas Deer Feeder next to my own tree stand and have the balls to think no other hunter should use it ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted July 16, 2007 As far as salt I know that the Forrest service puts out salt for the animals "(period)" GH, what's up with ending all your replies with "(period)" That's just to much information for us here on CWT to handle. Keep your monthly problems to yourself please. M77- On your topic of SPORTSMANSHIP, it is ILLEGAL to place a salt lick on Public Land. The ethics of this topic went out the door with the first hunter placing the salt lick (period). Answer your question You are Sooo crafty GH!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted July 16, 2007 M77- On your topic of SPORTSMANSHIP, it is ILLEGAL to place a salt lick on Public Land. The ethics of this topic went out the door with the first hunter placing the salt lick (period). GH, Can you cite the rule or law that says it's illegal to put a salt block on public land? I sure can't find anything that says that, and ranchers put them on their federal and state leases all the time. Or are you using illegal as to mean unethical by your code of sportsmanship? -TONY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted July 16, 2007 M77- On your topic of SPORTSMANSHIP, it is ILLEGAL to place a salt lick on Public Land. The ethics of this topic went out the door with the first hunter placing the salt lick (period). GH, Can you cite the rule or law that says it's illegal to put a salt block on public land? I sure can't find anything that says that, and ranchers put them on their federal and state leases all the time. -TONY Tony, GH was quoting ol' M77..... and trying to be a smart apple..... ..... I actualy, rather enjoyed it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted July 16, 2007 Tony, GH was quoting ol' M77..... and trying to be a smart apple..... ..... I actualy, rather enjoyed it.... Oh, okay. Thanks for explaining the sarcasm involved. GH -- ignore my questions!!! -TONY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
m77 Report post Posted July 16, 2007 It's really easy to get guys going in this forum and it also brings excellent information to the forum. It would be just another hunting forum if guys didn't get up tight about hunting coues in arizona. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
