No Guide Fees

[Str8Shot]

sounds like a gimmick to me.

How else they going to reach the goal of 100 cams in every unit ... JK ... it is insurance and for those non residents that pray year after year "This is the ONE" once they realize it will take them at least 10 years the smart ones will put the money in an account , use it to earn a little profit , and have it waiting when the day arrives. Would be interesting to know how many guys they have gotten to sign up

[Tines]

Hmmm. I'm all for capitalism. But how does this benefit a NR unless he's got max points or VERY close to it?

 

You've got an outfitter who seems to specialize in a hunt that's EXTREMELY difficult for a NR to draw, if not impossible for 95% of them.

 

At first I'd say it's like dropping a casino in the middle of a reservation but that was actually a brilliant idea. You're relying on the uneducated masses. I think the majority of NRs hoping to draw an AZ strip tag are a drop in the bucket compared to the consistent casino goer. Not to mention just a bit smarter and realistic.

 

But I've been wrong a lot in my lifetime. And still work a 9-5.

 

I'm still kicking myself for not pursuing my "Netflix" idea 17 years ago

[Tines]

And as for it being like insurance...idk. How many of us drive around HOPING we get to use our insurance that day? Not many. Unless you're driving around in a 15yr old truck with 280k miles like me, you hope not to use it.

 

Let's just say I've got "max insurance points".

[Str8Shot]

And as for it being like insurance...idk. How many of us drive around HOPING we get to use our insurance that day? Not many. Unless you're driving around in a 15yr old truck with 280k miles like me, you hope not to use it.

 

Let's just say I've got "max insurance points".

sorry to clarify ... it is like insurance in the sense that only a very small percent will use it ...

[naturegirl]

I got this from the site.

 

ELK ARCHERY BENEFITS

Length of Membership Number of Hunting Days Included

1 - 3 Years 5 Day Guide-Only

4 - 6 Years 5 Day Fully-Outfitted or 7 Day Guide-Only

7 - 9 Years 7 Day Fully-Outfitted or 10 Day Guide-Only

10 - 12 Years 10 Day Fully-Outfitted or 14 Day Guide Only

13+ Years 14 Day Fully-Outfitted

[Non-Typical Solutions]

And as for it being like insurance...idk. How many of us drive around HOPING we get to use our insurance that day? Not many. Unless you're driving around in a 15yr old truck with 280k miles like me, you hope not to use it.

 

Let's just say I've got "max insurance points".

I actually do need somebody with good insurance to T-bone my truck right now......so that thought has crossed my mind!!!

[cactusbull]

Hi Guys - This is Travis McClendon owner of Arizona Elk Outfitters LLC & Arizona Strip LLC and creator of Zero Guide Fees LLC. I want to say thanks for all the interest into our new program and welcome any and all questions that you might have. Many hunters cannot afford a $6000.00 hunt and I wanted to create something that was inclusive to everybody and not just the upper class. So 4 years ago I started working on a concept that has never been seen in our industry & just launched it before the deer deadline. I understand it is not common knowledge and may seem foreign to many people but as more people understand how the process works I believe this will become a viable option and a new generation of outfitting will be born. If you remember It was also foreign and people were skeptical before USO, HUNTIN FOOL & CABALAS TAGS starting their application services but know it is common knowledge and thousands of people use those services every year.

 

I would like to respond and also explain a little about exactly what Zero Guide Fees is.

 

First of all we are not a gimmick! I have been outfitting in Arizona for over 25 years and have worked tirelessly to strive to be the best and build a solid reputation while doing it. Our companies have harvested hundreds of quality animals over the years and have had the privilege of harvesting several world records. I say this only to legitimize who we are and what we are offering. I understand that if we are providing a service for free but are not legit then there is no value in it.

 

We cover far more than just the Arizona Strip for deer in fact we cover all the sheep and antelope units and have 15 to 20 units for the elk. A non resident could easily draw 5B North archery elk tag with 6 points or a unit 10 late rifle elk tag with 8 points so its not just the most difficult or hardest units to draw. Also with the possible new changes for non residents they actually have a chance of drawing places like the strip or early rifle 10 tags when before they would have no chance unless they had max points.

 

Yes, you can draw in the first year and we will guide you . We have 4 members that drew in 2015 and all they had to pay was the $350.00. it is advantages to become a ZGF member sooner rather than later since our system is designed to give you more benefit the longer you wait.

 

Here is the benefit breakdown

• Draw in 1st to 3rd year = 5 day fully guided hunt
• Draw in 4th to 7th year = 7 day fully guided hunt
• Draw in 8th to 10th year = 10 day fully guided hunt
• Draw in 11th to 13th year = 14 day fully guided hunt

Is it worth it?

 

Example:

Lets look at a 5 & 10 year wait to draw since that was mentioned earlier

• 5 x $350.00 = $1750.00 (total investment) = Benefit 7 Day Fully Guided Hunt (Traditional 7 day fully guided hunt in 5 years $6500 - $7500.00?) YOU SAVE at least $4500.00
• 10 x $350.00 = $3500.00 (total investment) = Benefit 10 Days Fully Guided hunt (traditional 10 day guided hunt in 10 years $9000.00 - $11,000.00?) SAVINGS around $6000.00
• You basically only pay $1750.00 for a 7 day fully guided hunt & $3500.00 for a 10 day fully guided hunt and that is 5 to 10 years in the future. You would be hard pressed to find that price with reputable outfitters 10 years ago let alone 10 years down the road.

What are the other benefits?

• Unlike guide fees that will keep increasing year after year because of gas, food, licenses permits and insurance cost, however your $350.00 never goes up until you draw.
• Pay as you go, not all at once.
• Recession Proof: If you lose your job have a financial emergency or the market tanks you wont be spending $6000.00 for a guided hunt but with ZGF, your hunt is already covered

We are planning on opening it up to RESIDENTS also but it will be very limited and the units will be filtered however as we grow we will allow for more residents to enter.

 

NOTE: The new ArizonaElkOutfitters.com site with the ZGF will be live in the next two weeks.

 

I look forward to hearing from you and please let me know if you have any other questions about this option. Thanks Travis

 

 

 

[rossislider]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Str8Shot]

Travis, so each time you draw, the cost goes up ?

 

• Unlike guide fees that will keep increasing year after year because of gas, food, licenses permits and insurance cost, however your $350.00 never goes up until you draw.

[bigorange]

Nice explanation Travis. Seems like a great idea to me, and sticking your neck out there trying a new business model. Good luck with it and hopefully pays off for both you and your clients.

[cactusbull]

The annual membership could go up or down depending on many factors in the future. Our goal will always be to creat an option for those who are on a budget but want the advantage of being guided when they draw. However for those that lock in there annual price keep that price until they draw. After they draw and want to start over with that same species then they will pay the going rate at that time.

[Big Browns]

I think it's a GREAT idea. I love the "out of the box" thinking! I have several non-resident friends I will be telling about your new business model. I hope it's as successful as it is innovative.

 

 

 

 

Adam

 

 

[cactusbull]

Thanks Adam for the support we really appreciate it. Remember you have to enroll before the state deadline for that specific species to be covered for that year.

For example if you want to be covered for elk for 2016 in case you draw, then you must enroll before the AZ State deadline on Feb. 12th 2016.

 

Thanks Travis

[naturebob]

Way to go Travis. Hope it works out for You guys.......................BOB!

[HuntHarder]

So lets say I am a non-resident with 15 points and statistically guaranteed a tag next year for the unit I am applying for. Can I buy in for the $350.00 and get my hunt guided for the $350.00?