naturebob Report post Posted August 17, 2015 I would hire longshooter........BOB! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 in my opinion, and that is my opinion, it ain't hunting if you ain't hunting. 99% of these auction hunters are pudgy, soft rich guys that don't know anything about hunting, they hire a buncha guys to corral an animal for em and they jet in and shoot it. in their own jet too. if they did away with all auction tags the only people that would notice a lack in funds would be the guides and their posse. if you add up all the money that auction tags bring Az each year, it is a very small % of what it takes to run the department. i think somebody told he the other day that just the money brought in from application fees for bighorn, just application fees, is more than all the auction tags combined. the auction tags are a ruse that rich guys use to get great tags. nothing more. i'm all for the raffle tags. at least joe hunter has a chance at them. that's my take. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted August 18, 2015 .270 I respect most of what you say but "99% of auction hunters are pudgy, soft rich guys"... come on, for sure some are just that, soft, pudgy rich guys, but many (especially 99%) are not. Surprisingly quite a few "rich guys" started at the bottom. For example at least 2 of the last 3 auction coues tag holders can walk,hike,backpack circles around you or I, and they killed many big critters before they made any money. I actually like the raffle tags better myself because I can not afford to buy auction tags, but making blanket statements about auction hunters is ridiculous Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 whatever, i guess we have different opinions. don't get youre feelings hurt. i think the auction tag deal is bad for everyone but the rich guys and the guys that guide em. is it ok if i have that opinion? the contribution to the pot is negligible. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted August 18, 2015 My feeling don't get hurt.. yes we can have differing opinions that is why I stated mine. and just to ease your mind we are on the same side and I have the same beliefs as you in regards to auction tags, just not the hunters themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 i don't know any of em but i still don't like em so they are all fat and lazy and steal from babies and kill kittens are far as i'm concerned. Lark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHT_MTNMAN Report post Posted August 18, 2015 same as those lazy truck drivers, or city workers or computer programmers. Well I know some of them and many of them I like and the few others I've met are good people, some that have made a bunch of money but are down to earth good people. They just choose to spend their money on something that they love. Not everyone is out for the fame and glory.... Anyway...their are more important things in life than arguing on the internet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke-BE Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Remember people who are wealthy have a business or business mind set. It's there passion, joy, what they are great at. 90 % of millionaires are first generation self made millionaire. Meaning they did it in their own life time, with no help. Same concept for people who aren't millionaires but are very well off. They think about it day I'm and day out. They don't think about hunting all day ling like a lot of us. The reason why they have a lot of money is because they don't stop what they are doing, they keep their momentum going. They don't have time to scout their "business " is priority 1. They have the means so they hire it out. They enjoy the hunt and love it, but their first love is their business. I understand most of us would take the whole year off to go hunting if we had the means. But that is the very reason why they have lots of money and we don't is because they wouldn't do that and lose momentum in work. Cheaper for them and save time for them. Completely different type of mind sets. One has a wealthy mind set, the reason why he is wealthy, and the other one doesn't. You say our joy is to hunt all day and work less, the other one joy is work all day and hunt less but pay more. In the end both sides are very happy in their hunt, and they have very different opinions on how to do it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJMauro12 Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Remember people who are wealthy have a business or business mind set. It's there passion, joy, what they are great at. 90 % of millionaires are first generation self made millionaire. Meaning they did it in their own life time, with no help. Same concept for people who aren't millionaires but are very well off. They think about it day I'm and day out. They don't think about hunting all day ling like a lot of us. The reason why they have a lot of money is because they don't stop what they are doing, they keep their momentum going. They don't have time to scout their "business " is priority 1. They have the means so they hire it out. They enjoy the hunt and love it, but their first love is their business. I understand most of us would take the whole year off to go hunting if we had the means. But that is the very reason why they have lots of money and we don't is because they wouldn't do that and lose momentum in work. Cheaper for them and save time for them. Completely different type of mind sets. One has a wealthy mind set, the reason why he is wealthy, and the other one doesn't. You say our joy is to hunt all day and work less, the other one joy is work all day and hunt less but pay more. In the end both sides are very happy in their hunt, and they have very different opinions on how to do it. Been waiting for this point to be brought up. Not everyone is a "hunt junkie" or what ever you want to call it. If the person has that kind of cash to dump on a govenors/ auction tag then they probably don't have the time to spend a year hunting but they do have the funds for someone to find them a beast and they will enjoy that one or two days they showed up to shoot and actually take a break from work just as much as someone that takes 2 weeks- 3 months off a year to chase animals. Just my point of view. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Str8Shot Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Remember people who are wealthy have a business or business mind set. It's there passion, joy, what they are great at. 90 % of millionaires are first generation self made millionaire. Meaning they did it in their own life time, with no help. Same concept for people who aren't millionaires but are very well off. They think about it day I'm and day out. They don't think about hunting all day ling like a lot of us. The reason why they have a lot of money is because they don't stop what they are doing, they keep their momentum going. They don't have time to scout their "business " is priority 1. They have the means so they hire it out. They enjoy the hunt and love it, but their first love is their business. I understand most of us would take the whole year off to go hunting if we had the means. But that is the very reason why they have lots of money and we don't is because they wouldn't do that and lose momentum in work. Cheaper for them and save time for them. Completely different type of mind sets. One has a wealthy mind set, the reason why he is wealthy, and the other one doesn't. You say our joy is to hunt all day and work less, the other one joy is work all day and hunt less but pay more. In the end both sides are very happy in their hunt, and they have very different opinions on how to do it. I agree , but also know several guys that have made their wealth themselves and have the kind of money to purchase such tags and every single one of them have businesses set up with a management staff that allows them to do what they like when they like .. A couple already spend half the year hunting various locations around the world... With today's tech no one is separated from their business too long if they do not want to be. That being said who do you think appreciates the wealth more.... The guy that made millions working hard and doing it himself or the guy that gained his wealth through a family estate? I an pretty certain most will say the guy that Did it himself. I like to believe the same is true with the majority of hunters, that the journey and hard work is what makes the accomplishment of earning a true trophy a real success story. Not how much you paid for having someone else do it for you! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted August 18, 2015 They can all go DYI that is the great part about a FREE country... to each their own! I love that we have that choice! When I can afford a tag like that, the hunt will include others regardless because I love sharing the outdoors with my Family and me Friends... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke-BE Report post Posted August 18, 2015 Remember people who are wealthy have a business or business mind set. It's there passion, joy, what they are great at. 90 % of millionaires are first generation self made millionaire. Meaning they did it in their own life time, with no help. Same concept for people who aren't millionaires but are very well off. They think about it day I'm and day out. They don't think about hunting all day ling like a lot of us. The reason why they have a lot of money is because they don't stop what they are doing, they keep their momentum going. They don't have time to scout their "business " is priority 1. They have the means so they hire it out. They enjoy the hunt and love it, but their first love is their business. I understand most of us would take the whole year off to go hunting if we had the means. But that is the very reason why they have lots of money and we don't is because they wouldn't do that and lose momentum in work. Cheaper for them and save time for them. Completely different type of mind sets. One has a wealthy mind set, the reason why he is wealthy, and the other one doesn't. You say our joy is to hunt all day and work less, the other one joy is work all day and hunt less but pay more. In the end both sides are very happy in their hunt, and they have very different opinions on how to do it. I agree , but also know several guys that have made their wealth themselves and have the kind of money to purchase such tags and every single one of them have businesses set up with a management staff that allows them to do what they like when they like .. A couple already spend half the year hunting various locations around the world... With today's tech no one is separated from their business too long if they do not want to be. That being said who do you think appreciates the wealth more.... The guy that made millions working hard and doing it himself or the guy that gained his wealth through a family estate? I an pretty certain most will say the guy that Did it himself. I like to believe the same is true with the majority of hunters, that the journey and hard work is what makes the accomplishment of earning a true trophy a real success story. Not how much you paid for having someone else do it for you! Yes I agree but I said that a lot of them find there joy in business more than the hunt. If they loved the hunt more then they would spend more time. I own and operate my own plumbing contracting company. I love doing it, I love working with my hands and negotiating with other business owners. But I don't love it enough to do my own floors or roof. I don't have time, nor like construction that much to learn another trade. I'll just pay someone to do it. I love what I do! Same thing for the wealthy hunters they love it, but I bet they will admit they don't love it as much as lot of people do on this forum. Now if they are successful and you can spend the time and love being out hunting well good for them they're living in American dream. If your dream is to win big in their business or expertise and like to do small vacations and a little hunting well they're just as happy as you are. To each their own! Just love doing it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
218buck Report post Posted August 19, 2015 I have been at many of the different banquets were these tags are being auctioned off at, and there is outfitters there that come just to solicit to the people who are buying them. I do not think this makes them a bad person just smart business men. If money was know issue for me I would have my private jet on call 24-7 ready to kill record class animals as the calls came in, just saying 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
