rugerman Report post Posted August 3, 2015 You knew it wouldn't take long "We weren't paying much attention to the rich American guys paying tens of thousands of dollars to kill exotic, sometimes endangered, animals until a Minnesota dentist named Walter Palmer killed a lion named Cecil in Zimbabwe last month. Now officials in Zimbabwe say that another American rich guy, this time a Pittsburgh gynecologic oncologist and surgeon named Jan Seski also killed a lion, also under possibly suspicious circumstances. Because of the furor caused by this we've come to learn that roughly half of the 5,600 lions killed as trophies in the last decade or so were done in by wealthy Americans, and that lions are only one of dozens of species favored by big game hunters willing to pay enormous amounts of money to kill a rare and beautiful animal. This includes the sons of Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump. The Trump sons apparently got a little attention a few years back when photographs surfaced showing Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump posing with some of their rare animals kills, including an elephant and a leopard. Trump Jr. answered critics on Twitter, saying, "In some parts its over populated. Bottom line with out hunters $ there wouldn't be much left of africa. Eco is nice but no $." Trophy hunters argue that killing lions and other magnificent beasts is actually an act of conservation and good for the countries in question. And while in some cases that may be true, it's far from a universal truth. Over the weekend Donald Trump issues a statement about his big game hunting sons that read: "My sons love to hunt. They are members of the NRA, very proudly. I am a big believer in the second amendment. My sons are hunters. Eric is a hunter. He puts it on a par with golf - ahead of golf. And my other son is a hunter. They are great marksmen, great shots. I like to play golf." The New York Post interviewed a big game hunter from Florida, a wealthy entrepreneur named John Martins, who proudly spoke of having killed a lion, among many other rare animals. He said in part, "Some people get excited when they shoot something. I don't get excited. I revere the animal. It's mixed emotion. I'm happy I took the life, but I revered the life of that animal also." He added, "Sitting down next to an African lion you've just taken is a very emotional thing. It's a terrific accomplishment for a hunter. It's a moment that you will never forget." What about us? Will we forget? There's a bill in the U.S. Senate, the "Cecil Act" (Conserving Ecosystems by Ceasing the Importation of Large Animal Trophies Act) that would make it illegal for trophy hunters to bring back parts of any species proposed or listed as threatened or endangered under the Endangered Species Act of 1973. In other words, there would be no heads or hides for the overcompensating guys with the large hunting rifles and the fat wallets to mount on the wall. However, lawmakers, particular Republicans, take a lot of money from trophy hunters like this and organizations that back them, like the National Rifle Association. To the NRA and its highly paid lobbyists, members of Congress are the prey, and the NRA's walls seem to be filled with the mounted heads of politicians. That's taken its toll on the animals. It's about time guys like the dentist, the doctors and the Trump boys became the endangered species." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Please clarify, is this your belief that these guys hunting in Africa don't have a place in the hunting community? Or is this just copy and paste from the media? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rugerman Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Cut and paste of Montini's logic. Today Africa, tomorrow Arizona. Sorry from today's AZ Ragpublic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Got it, nuf said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted August 3, 2015 If that happens the African countries that used to get money from these hunts will start getting a larger portion of our tax dollars for their relief funds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted August 3, 2015 That's possible but more than that the animals will be no more. Hunters dollars and tourism ie photo safaris keep the animals alive. Ounce those animals are not bringing in cash to conserve and manage them they will have zero friends to protect them 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted August 3, 2015 I see Montini is still a huge D-Bag. No surprise. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lancetkenyon Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Outlaw the importation of trophies, and say goodbye to the rich hunters pumping MILLIONS of dollars into third world country's economy. It will be a downward spiral into deteriorating conditions county wide, and maybe even continent wide. No money for conservation and game management = no game to conserve, manage and protect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted August 3, 2015 Outlaw the importation of trophies, and say goodbye to the rich hunters pumping MILLIONS of dollars into third world country's economy. It will be a downward spiral into deteriorating conditions county wide, and maybe even continent wide.No money for conservation and game management = no game to conserve, manage and protect. But liberals are so smart. Just ask them, they will be glad to tell you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rugerman Report post Posted August 3, 2015 I just read the story now that Delta will no longer accept big game trophies as freight. I won't fly Delta 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZkiller Report post Posted August 5, 2015 I just read the story now that Delta will no longer accept big game trophies as freight. I won't fly Delta Would they be happier if I carried it on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pwrguy Report post Posted August 5, 2015 Montini is disgusting. I refuse to read anything written by him or for that matter most everything in the AZ repulsive. These twits have no idea where conservation starts. Like Lance and mule pack hunter said, take the money out of this equation and it will do far more harm than good. I am all for keeping animals at healthy levels, but I think most of the "poachers" thought they were within the law. If there is a population problem, it should be dealt with on and individual and local level. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muskrat Report post Posted August 12, 2015 I can't stand Montini and his self-righteous BS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites