mattys281 Report post Posted June 11, 2007 I'm not disputing their quality. I've never heard a bad thing about Bowtech. I just feel there's a difference between innovation & gimmicks. I wouldn't mind shooting one & am not trying to bad mouth them. The patents don't mean much to the other manufacturers, they'll pay to use their design if it'll sell bows. PSE's shoot-through riser is used by everyone, I'm seeing Hoyts STring stopper thingy on more & more models & I believe Matthews has a patent on the carbide disk in the cam, but you still see it on other bows. It's really turning into a cut-throat market for compound bow manufacturers. They have to keep coming out with "improvements" just to keep up! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Huntn coues Report post Posted June 11, 2007 " Catch us if you can" --- You have been caught and lapped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted June 17, 2007 your right mathews has been caight and passed on speed, but speed is over rated. mathews are the most forgiving, and smoothest bows i have ever shot. the speed is not blazin fast, but more than fast enough to hunt with. i love my mathews! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane Burleson Report post Posted June 20, 2007 When in Vegas for the "Vegas Shoot" I always find it interesting to see what type of equipment the pro shooters are winning with each year. It's always the same, 90% of the winning shooters shoot either Mathews or Hoyt. Hmmmmmm.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 When in Vegas for the "Vegas Shoot" I always find it interesting to see what type of equipment the pro shooters are winning with each year. It's always the same, 90% of the winning shooters shoot either Mathews or Hoyt. Hmmmmmm.. Is that a testament to quality or to who is willing to hand out the most sponsorships in order to get their name to the top. Archery is just as comercialized as nascar and so you see the same results - those w/ the deepest pockets are usually standing at the top. Mathews & Hoyt both make great equipment, but I still can't wait to get my Diamond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longshooter Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I'd put money against that. Case in point, look at Martins shoot through cables. Good idea & they shoot really well from what I understand, but not enough benefit to make a difference. Bowtech may stick with it for a while, but I doublt you'll see other manufacturers following suit on this one. You're absolutely correct because it's patented. As is the Martin Shoot thru. The Limb Pivot idea was actually on an earlier bow, but the technology wasn't there to make it work (1987). After that patent expired (20 years), Bowtech picked up the design and ran with it. The Martin Shoot thru is nice because it eliminates cam lean since there is no cable guard. This improves nock travel and the overall accuracy of the bow. Which is why you find it mostly on target models. But no other bow maker can touch it. People poo poo'd the binary cam design for a while too (darton patent i think) but it's becoming increasingly popular with other manufacturer's. With the attention the Guardian/Commander are getting this year, I'm betting they will be around for a long while. Shoot one Matty, they really are good bows. Kevin, rumor has it those Gaurdians are the official bow of the "2007 Las Vegas Gay Pride Archery Shoot" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues Sniper Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I'd put money against that. Case in point, look at Martins shoot through cables. Good idea & they shoot really well from what I understand, but not enough benefit to make a difference. Bowtech may stick with it for a while, but I doublt you'll see other manufacturers following suit on this one. You're absolutely correct because it's patented. As is the Martin Shoot thru. The Limb Pivot idea was actually on an earlier bow, but the technology wasn't there to make it work (1987). After that patent expired (20 years), Bowtech picked up the design and ran with it. The Martin Shoot thru is nice because it eliminates cam lean since there is no cable guard. This improves nock travel and the overall accuracy of the bow. Which is why you find it mostly on target models. But no other bow maker can touch it. People poo poo'd the binary cam design for a while too (darton patent i think) but it's becoming increasingly popular with other manufacturer's. With the attention the Guardian/Commander are getting this year, I'm betting they will be around for a long while. Shoot one Matty, they really are good bows. Kevin, rumor has it those Gaurdians are the official bow of the "2007 Las Vegas Gay Pride Archery Shoot" You would know... aren't you the guest speaker for the event? Not that there's anything wrong with that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues Sniper Report post Posted June 20, 2007 When in Vegas for the "Vegas Shoot" I always find it interesting to see what type of equipment the pro shooters are winning with each year. It's always the same, 90% of the winning shooters shoot either Mathews or Hoyt. Hmmmmmm.. Is that a testament to quality or to who is willing to hand out the most sponsorships in order to get their name to the top. Archery is just as comercialized as nascar and so you see the same results - those w/ the deepest pockets are usually standing at the top. Mathews & Hoyt both make great equipment, but I still can't wait to get my Diamond. Very true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I'd put money against that. Case in point, look at Martins shoot through cables. Good idea & they shoot really well from what I understand, but not enough benefit to make a difference. Bowtech may stick with it for a while, but I doublt you'll see other manufacturers following suit on this one. You're absolutely correct because it's patented. As is the Martin Shoot thru. The Limb Pivot idea was actually on an earlier bow, but the technology wasn't there to make it work (1987). After that patent expired (20 years), Bowtech picked up the design and ran with it. The Martin Shoot thru is nice because it eliminates cam lean since there is no cable guard. This improves nock travel and the overall accuracy of the bow. Which is why you find it mostly on target models. But no other bow maker can touch it. People poo poo'd the binary cam design for a while too (darton patent i think) but it's becoming increasingly popular with other manufacturer's. With the attention the Guardian/Commander are getting this year, I'm betting they will be around for a long while. Shoot one Matty, they really are good bows. Kevin, rumor has it those Gaurdians are the official bow of the "2007 Las Vegas Gay Pride Archery Shoot" You would know... aren't you the guest speaker for the event? Not that there's anything wrong with that I saw an SUV w/ a CW.COM sticker outlined with a rainbow the other day. Which one of you was it? Tell the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longshooter Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I'd put money against that. Case in point, look at Martins shoot through cables. Good idea & they shoot really well from what I understand, but not enough benefit to make a difference. Bowtech may stick with it for a while, but I doublt you'll see other manufacturers following suit on this one. You're absolutely correct because it's patented. As is the Martin Shoot thru. The Limb Pivot idea was actually on an earlier bow, but the technology wasn't there to make it work (1987). After that patent expired (20 years), Bowtech picked up the design and ran with it. The Martin Shoot thru is nice because it eliminates cam lean since there is no cable guard. This improves nock travel and the overall accuracy of the bow. Which is why you find it mostly on target models. But no other bow maker can touch it. People poo poo'd the binary cam design for a while too (darton patent i think) but it's becoming increasingly popular with other manufacturer's. With the attention the Guardian/Commander are getting this year, I'm betting they will be around for a long while. Shoot one Matty, they really are good bows. Kevin, rumor has it those Gaurdians are the official bow of the "2007 Las Vegas Gay Pride Archery Shoot" You would know... aren't you the guest speaker for the event? Not that there's anything wrong with that I saw an SUV w/ a CW.COM sticker outlined with a rainbow the other day. Which one of you was it? Tell the truth. lmfao........Thats Kevin for sure since he has the SUV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues Sniper Report post Posted June 20, 2007 I'd put money against that. Case in point, look at Martins shoot through cables. Good idea & they shoot really well from what I understand, but not enough benefit to make a difference. Bowtech may stick with it for a while, but I doublt you'll see other manufacturers following suit on this one. You're absolutely correct because it's patented. As is the Martin Shoot thru. The Limb Pivot idea was actually on an earlier bow, but the technology wasn't there to make it work (1987). After that patent expired (20 years), Bowtech picked up the design and ran with it. The Martin Shoot thru is nice because it eliminates cam lean since there is no cable guard. This improves nock travel and the overall accuracy of the bow. Which is why you find it mostly on target models. But no other bow maker can touch it. People poo poo'd the binary cam design for a while too (darton patent i think) but it's becoming increasingly popular with other manufacturer's. With the attention the Guardian/Commander are getting this year, I'm betting they will be around for a long while. Shoot one Matty, they really are good bows. Kevin, rumor has it those Gaurdians are the official bow of the "2007 Las Vegas Gay Pride Archery Shoot" You would know... aren't you the guest speaker for the event? Not that there's anything wrong with that I saw an SUV w/ a CW.COM sticker outlined with a rainbow the other day. Which one of you was it? Tell the truth. lmfao........Thats Kevin for sure since he has the SUV Wrong again Bear, I'm driving the Dodge diesel now. All that male abuse you've taken over the years has clouded your memory Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane Burleson Report post Posted June 21, 2007 "Diamonds are a girls best friend." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted June 21, 2007 "Diamonds are a girls best friend." This is true. If you're a good girl you might get one for christmas. If you're a bad girl you might get one a lot sooner than that! My paycheck is my ex's best friend. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazy4COUES Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Do any of you actually know how to spell MATHEWS? If you ever owned one you would know. How many harmonic dampeners does a bow need? Also anyone who is worried about who can shoot the most spots @ 18 is GAY! The top SHOOTERS are what makes the bow win, they go with the best contract so take it for what it is worth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues Sniper Report post Posted June 21, 2007 Do any of you actually know how to spell MATHEWS? If you ever owned one you would know. How many harmonic dampeners does a bow need? Also anyone who is worried about who can shoot the most spots @ 18 is GAY! The top SHOOTERS are what makes the bow win, they go with the best contract so take it for what it is worth. Crazy is right. A little angry, but right. You put just about any company's flagship bow in a top shooter's hands nowadays and it will win. Crazy$COUES, send Longshooter a PM. If you're into "that kinda thing", he'll come over and "massage" all your anger away... so I've heard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
