New way to score antlers

[OpticNerd]

Interesting info about the original SCI scoring system Mr. Quimby. I searched the web but couldn't find and info about the SCI's old way of scoring. Mainly looked for a scoring sheet but no luck. So back in the days of their original scoring system did SCI take a circumference measurement of each individual point?

[billrquimby]

No. McElroy believed that mass would continue up the main beams, so the only circumferences measured were just above the burrs of each antler. He wanted to make measuring as simple as possible.

 

Bill Quimby

[Swivelhead]

Water displacement is one of the steps by which the CIC of Europe measures antlered game, and if that's what turns you on, more power to you. Most of the Americans I know who have had their trophies measured in Europe have not been happy with the system. Safari Club International's founder, C.J. McElroy, disliked the way Boone & Crockett measured "air" (spread) and deducted points for non-conformity, so he dropped spread and deductions when he created SCI's original system for measuring deer. To give credit for mass, he added the circumference of each antler at its thickest point above the burr. His system was discarded after the club fired him, and SCI's present system was adopted at the request of an officer who thought hunters should "speak the same language." Basically, it is Boone & Crockett's without deductions. Width is added to the lengths of the main beams and every tine over one inch long, as well as the circumferences of the widest points between each tine. As for measuring systems ruining hunting, I prefer to believe it is hunters who measure the value of their trophies in inches who need to rethink why they go hunting. They remind me of the Iranian prince whose biography I wrote. He was so obsessed with the size of an animal, he blamed his booking agents, outfitters and guides for his failure to take No. 1 animals. He walked away from an elephant he'd shot because his guide said it had 100-pound tusks, and they weighed five or six pounds less than that. Some of my best trophies were collected on hunts that were memorable for reasons other than the size of the antlers or skulls I took home. A case in point is the female mountain lion I killed after 57 days on horseback following hounds all over the Chiricahuas, Baboquivaris, Sierra Anchas, Santa Ritas and Catalinas. Its skull doesnt' qualify for SCI or B&C, but it's No. 1 in my book. Bill Quimby

I think scoring systems are best left as they are. No, I'm not a fan of air measurements but do agree spread looks good.

 

I'm with Bill on trophy quality. "Trophy" ought to be directly related to the effort required to acquire said trophy.

[OpticNerd]

I think scoring systems are best left as they are. No, I'm not a fan of air measurements but do agree spread looks good.

 

I'm with Bill on trophy quality. "Trophy" ought to be directly related to the effort required to acquire said trophy.

 

 

Just so there's no confusion I'm not suggesting a change in the current scoring systems. This new proposed system is nothing more than another way to score your antlers. If your not a fan of air measurements than why use them? Sure if you happen to shoot a record book animal and you want to enter it into the books then B&C is the way to go. But if your a guy like me that doesn't really care about the record books and your looking for a more complete way to measure just the antlers with no air measurements then this new method might be a better system for you.

[Curtis Reed]

i don't pay attention to scores. I hunt for venison

[Benbrown]

The water displacement method was championed by some of the guiding lights in the Texas Trophy Hunters Association years ago. Their rationale was, "If the animal grew it, you should get credit for it." It was briefly popular with hunters who liked to shoot bucks with a lot of "trash" that was difficult to measure using the B&C or the SCI methodology. It never really caught on, and I had not heard anything about it in a long time until this thread popped up. As to as how it's done, the entire rack is submerged to the base of the pedicels. Theoretically, one could get a valid score even if one or both of the antlers became detached from the skull plate somehow.

[OpticNerd]

Looks like the people have spoken and given the responses I'd say there is little to no interest in this purposed tine mass method. Oddly enough I think there was more talk on the water displacement method than the method this thread was intended for.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

3 d printing will fix all this scorin stuff