MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted May 8, 2015 Sorry to hear this, someone send some hounds down there asap 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreyGhost85 Report post Posted May 8, 2015 i agree in the sending of hounds to exact revenge, but i do believe only natives can run hounds on the rez 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8OWHUNT247 Report post Posted May 8, 2015 Poor Pooch... Sorry Amanda. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigorange Report post Posted May 8, 2015 I was very sorry to see this too. According to a Facebook post the lion was killed by a hunter, but not until after it also got one of his dogs. Seemed to have no fear of dogs or humans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosninocanines Report post Posted May 8, 2015 From Amanda on facebook "Amanda Moors Thank you every one for your comments. The lion that killed Julie is now dead, but not before it killed another dog. Houndsman Clark Richins went in with his dogs and was tracking the lion but it circled behind them and came up behind Clark and grabbed one of his best young female dogs and killed it instantly by crushing its skull....Clark shot the lion as it was carrying his dog away. He said the dogs didn't find the lion....the lion found them and hunted them with no fear of dogs or human. It was 125 lb lion....a two year old male that would have gone on to kill more of our dogs and perhaps children if it wasn't killed." 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murfys69law Report post Posted May 8, 2015 I am sooo glad he killed but again. It's sad that Amanda lost a dog as well as the Clark. Sounds like a bada$$ cat and good riddens. Thoughts are with you both Amanda & Clark. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted May 8, 2015 It is indeed tragic that my poor sweet Julie, whom many of you know and have watched grow up in this forum, was attacked right in our camp not four feet from a vehicle and right where a field technician had been standing a few minutes earlier unloading things out of his car. It was horrifying to watch her getting pulled down by the cat, to hear her cries, and to watch the cat running away with her. We chased the lion in the dark hoping to make it drop her. I stupidly threw my headlamp at the lion while I was chasing it as that was the only thing I had on me to throw. I didn't hit it, but eventually the cat got to some cover and somehow lost its grip on Julie and she ran back to us. She was bleeding profusely from her neck and I could see her skull was punctured but it didn't look that bad so I still thought there was hope. She fell down and went into shock and we loaded her in the Jeep and I flew as fast as I could back to Globe to the vet, which was almost two hours away. The ride there was terrible as Paul stayed in the back seat trying to stop the bleeding and keep her head stable while I drove as fast as possible on really rough roads and then the highway. The vet met us but Julie went into seizures as she had been having on the ride there a few times. It was horrific and the vet said there was too much brain trauma to be fixable so he put her down peacefully. It was and still is a nightmare for us. She was such a bright, beautiful soul. So loving and joyous all the time. I was waiting to post about this until I had time to gather photos and do a proper memorial for her. I will still do that, but at a later date. When we pulled into camp Julie immediately smelled something and I could tell it was exciting her. I assumed it was just an elk or a deer that had fed in the meadow before we got there. Julie went off into the dark following scent, which she ALWAYS does at every camp we have done and really anytime she is outside, she is always following scent trails whether it is quail, rabbits, deer, elk, turkey or lion. I walked all around looking for a good spot for the tent and looking for whatever Julie was looking for. I saw nothing. Julie came back into camp and I tried to interest her in a nice whitetail shed but she wasn't interested at all, even though she normally loves to carry antlers around. I could tell she was more worked up over the scent of something she hadn't yet found. She seemed to be telling me "this is no time to play with antlers, there is something interesting smelling right around here". She went back to searching and I went to help Paul put up the tent. Then we heard her screaming and I looked back to see her flailing around in the grass, but I couldn't see why. I thought maybe she was caught in a leghold trap since one of our dogs got caught in one once near there. Paul thought maybe it was a rattlesnake. She was just on her back flailing around and then suddenly the situation changed and now we could see a cat on top of her mauling her. We started screaming and chasing and the lion picked her up and ran toward the bushes. I don't know how but Julie broke free and came to us. Then we pulled our other dog Sunshine back to the car and the field tech stayed back where the lion was to keep an eye on it. The lion just sat there in the trees watching us as we packed up our gear and attended to Julie. We had no weapons with us, but the field tech sprayed some pepper spray in the direction of the lion while we were working on Julie. A friend of ours, Clark Richins, works out on San Carlos and has been running lions out there for years. He also knew Julie. He volunteered to go up there and hunt the lion. He went up yesterday afternoon and was running the tracks, but wasn't close to the lion yet when he heard one of his dogs cry out behind him. The lion apparently had circled around and came in behind Clark to hunt the dogs. He killed Clark's dog with one bite to the head and gave Clark a chilling look as if to say he dared him to take his prey away from him. Clark said it showed no fear of him or the dogs and Clark shot it while it still had his dog in it's mouth. He said he has never seen a lion act like that and it was disturbing. The dog he lost was one of his best young females. It's so sad. The lion was a two year old tom that weight about 125 lbs (twice Julie's weight). Not a huge monster but very hungry and lethal. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shedhunteraz Report post Posted May 8, 2015 So so sorry to hear that. Our family's thoughts and prayers go out to yours. We hope you find peace at some point. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benbrown Report post Posted May 8, 2015 What a terrible experience! At least she was with you and Paul until the end. Please accept my sincere condolences. Ben 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted May 8, 2015 She was such a strong dog, I figured if any dog could survive this attack it would be her. We tried our best to save her, but in the end we couldn't. I really wish I had seen the lion before it found her. It must have been very close by as we had only been there a few minutes before the attack. She always lived her life fearlessly (except in thunderstorms, those terrified her) and we both suspected eventually some day she would meet a tragic end like falling off a cliff or getting clobbered by a bear or pack of javelinas. But I never, ever thought she would be in danger if she was right in camp with us. And I always thought a lion would run from her if she found one. She once treed a bobcat and I was waiting for the day when I would find her having treed a lion. I was sure that day would come and it's possible she did tree a lion that we never saw as she often ranged far and wide on our outings. But I think this lion was able to sneak up on her and attack her from behind. It did the same thing to Clark's dog. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Browns Report post Posted May 8, 2015 I'm very, very, very sorry for your loss!!!!! It sounds like the lion was ill or had rabies. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CouesWhitetail Report post Posted May 8, 2015 My amazing dog Julie: 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Browns Report post Posted May 8, 2015 I love the picture of her jumping in the air. She looks very happy!!!!!! It may not help much, but there is a very real possibility that she saved one of you from being attacked. She very likely saved your lives!!!!!!!! Adam 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PelaPapas Report post Posted May 8, 2015 Glad to hear the lion who caused this is taken care of. By the sounds of it, that cat was crazy and needed to be put down. Once again sorry for your loss Amanda. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buddydog Report post Posted May 8, 2015 I am so sorry for your loss. I too have a dog and it is amazing how close we are to him. You and Paul are in our thoughts and prayers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites