billrquimby Report post Posted March 20, 2015 I send certified checks when I apply, and I'd to know if we should start making room an elk in our freezer. Bill Quimby 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
More D Report post Posted March 21, 2015 As do I. Some family members are already claiming charges on the credit cards. We have to wait longer but for me it insures that our applications will not rejected for monetary issues. More D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naturebob Report post Posted March 21, 2015 Years ago I would use cashiers checks so the wife didn't know how much i was spending on hunting. I guess it worked. Still married after 34 years ,still hunting and drew an early rifle bull tag..Been doing the computer apps for a while now, and like it cause it helps eliminate mistakes on app. Good luck Bill and others that did paper.............BOB! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elecshoc Report post Posted March 21, 2015 Yep did paper as well. Still waiting around here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seldom Drawn Report post Posted March 21, 2015 I only do Money orders for my family it use to be7-10 days after the first cards hit then it went to 10-14 days but last years elk draw was 21 days after the first credit card hit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnnie blaze Report post Posted March 21, 2015 I send certified checks when I apply, and I'd to know if we should start making room an elk in our freezer. Bill Quimby what....are you new? Wait for your snail mail pink slip :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I've been applying for Arizona's hunting tags for more than a half century. I don't like the online process because it increases the number of applications in the pot, which reduces my personal odds of getting to hunt something, and allows others to apply for everything in the book without investing much money up front. I'd apply online if all cards were charged as soon as possible after applications are received. ---- Bill Quimby 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
naturebob Report post Posted March 22, 2015 You are right Bill. Half the people put in kids that really don't want to hunt, and wifes too. If they had to pay up front it would help odds and they wouldnt put in most of the family chain...........BOB! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I heard there was two boxes of paper apps. that ended up in the janitor supply room in the main office in Carefree. That never made it into the draw. Guess it isn't as reliable as some thought. Shame, I feel for you guys. But I can't seem to reach ya. Take care, Willie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas110 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I've been applying for Arizona's hunting tags for more than a half century. I don't like the online process because it increases the number of applications in the pot, which reduces my personal odds of getting to hunt something, and allows others to apply for everything in the book without investing much money up front. I'd apply online if all cards were charged as soon as possible after applications are received. ---- Bill Quimby less applicants, as in take money out of AZGFD pockets? yeah its a great idea but will it happen, heck no. not at $13 a pop! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rossislider Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I certainly don't mean to offend by this post, but online applications aren't going away. I must admit, I don't understand all the mistrust with the online application. There certainly are problems with the system, but it seems to me that AZGFD has found ways to correct for bank and credit card issues. Also, the deadline, for reasons I disagree with, always gets extended when the site goes down. While I'm sure there are examples out there, I'm unaware of anyones application getting rejected because of an online glitch. I, on the other hand, have personally had a paper app rejected before because something was filled out incorrectly. At least by doing it online the computer will generally warn me of missed fields or errors on the app. Maybe it is because my job involves working almost entirely in an online world, or because I grew up with computers that I don't share many of the distrust issues shared here. IMO the bottom line is that the online app is not going away. If anything, I would guess that we are within a generation or two of seeing the end of paper apps, as they are more time consuming and costly for AZGFD. The whole discussion reminds me of my studies as a child of the early days of the automobile. Early cars were mistrusted as they were expensive and very prone to breaking down. A common saying at the time by those passing by broken automobiles on horseback was "Get a horse" and many believed the automobile would never be able to replace the horse as a primary means of travel. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rossislider Report post Posted March 22, 2015 You are right Bill. Half the people put in kids that really don't want to hunt, and wifes too. If they had to pay up front it would help odds and they wouldnt put in most of the family chain...........BOB! The audacity and selfishness of those POS fathers trying to get their kids away from the video games and into the outdoors! 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I've been applying for Arizona's hunting tags for more than a half century. I don't like the online process because it increases the number of applications in the pot, which reduces my personal odds of getting to hunt something, and allows others to apply for everything in the book without investing much money up front. I'd apply online if all cards were charged as soon as possible after applications are received. ---- Bill Quimby I looked and couldn't readily find the information readily available, but it seems to me that there is information in the past that showed the impact on the number of applicants to be negligible when the method was paper vs. on-line. It was several years ago when they went back to paper for either one or two years. During the time they went back to paper, the number of applications hardly went down at all. Not sure if anyone remembers the thread then or not (or if anyone has the 'odds books' through the years that could confirm the overall number of applications through the years....). I also agree with rossislider, that there is clearly no way that they would ever go back to paper only in the long run. Just isn't going to happen.... S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I have been using computers for more than thirty years, and Safari Magazine and Safari Times were among the world's very first publications to go entirely digital during my tenure as director of Safari Club International's publications division, so it is not applying online for hunting permits that I oppose. Nor do I in any way want to discourage or limit hunting by youngsters. What I don't like is that Arizona's system does not hit credit cards until the applicant's name is drawn. This allows someone to submit an entire family's applications for every available animal and gamble that someone will be drawn for just $13 per person. This increases the number of applications in the pot, and is unfair to individuals who are serious enough about wanting to hunt just one or two species to submit the full price of the tags up front. To be fair, cards should be charged the instant inline applications are submitted, and refunds made after the drawing if applicants are unsuccessful. Consider this: to apply for permits to hunt all seven species in the fall drawings, an individual resident applicant must cough up $1,586 when submitting cash and just $91 online. To get in the pot for the spring drawings for both elk and antelope costs just $26. I believe there would be many fewer applicants if everyone had to decide how big a credit card hit they wanted to take. I also was an identity theft victim and found that American Express handled my complaints much better than Visa and Mastercharge. However, AZGFD does not accept AmEx. ---- Bill Quimby 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues79 Report post Posted March 22, 2015 I have been using computers for more than thirty years, and Safari Magazine and Safari Times were among the world's very first publications to go entirely digital during my tenure as director of Safari Club International's publications division, so it is not applying online for hunting permits that I oppose. Nor do I in any way want to discourage or limit hunting by youngsters. What I don't like is that Arizona's system does not hit credit cards until the applicant's name is drawn. This allows someone to submit an entire family's applications for every available animal and gamble that someone will be drawn for just $13 per person. This increases the number of applications in the pot, and is unfair to individuals who are serious enough about wanting to hunt just one or two species to submit the full price of the tags up front. To be fair, cards should be charged the instant inline applications are submitted, and refunds made after the drawing if applicants are unsuccessful. Consider this: to apply for permits to hunt all seven species in the fall drawings, an individual resident applicant must cough up $1,586 when submitting cash and just $91 online. To get in the pot for the spring drawings for both elk and antelope costs just $26. I believe there would be many fewer applicants if everyone had to decide how big a credit card hit they wanted to take. I also was an identity theft victim and found that American Express handled my complaints much better than Visa and Mastercharge. However, AZGFD does not accept AmEx. ---- Bill Quimby I agree with you Bill. What would it take to get the law changed in AZ to allow them to make the instant charge upfront? A friend of mind made a comment recently about going completely online and allowing folks to be charged via electronic check from their bank accounts, thus being charged upfront but eliminating the paper app process. Some things could be altered but the process to get this into play seems more of a law aspect than anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
