DesertBull Report post Posted February 6, 2015 DC is preparing a take over of units 13a and 13b by declaring the area a Federal National Monument. By executive order, by passing any public or state input. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted February 6, 2015 Do you have a link do any information on this? I did a Google search but couldn't find anything........ Thanks! S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted February 6, 2015 OK, I just found a story from three years ago. ( http://www.ksl.com/?nid=960&sid=20021784 ) Can't find anything more recent though..... Do you have any updates? I would be curious if it has progressed. Thanks, S. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted February 6, 2015 http://azgfd.net/artman/publish/NewsMedia/Commission-continues-to-have-concerns-over-potential-national-monument-designation-by-president.shtml https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2015/01/30/18767864.php http://www.eacourier.com/news/arizona-dems-call-for-establishment-of-grand-canyon-watershed-national/article_baa60c82-a8e5-11e4-8c03-bf6a028f360e.html http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/24953-az-game-fish-commission-concerned-over-potential-national-monument-designation-by-president http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2014/11/12/obama-act-preserve-grand-canyon-watershed/18943827/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted February 6, 2015 No worries guys, im planning on undoing a lot of b.s. after im inaugurated in 2016. Lets get the word out early, theres a working man / small business owner heading for Washington. Been a while.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted February 6, 2015 B.S. The Feds aren't "taking over" although the Arizona Game and Fish would impose that rhetorical language. The Grand Canyon is plum full of uranium. A Canadian company has their heart set at getting at that uranium and has been fighting with the Feds to open mines. Right now, there are 39 locations that are targeted by so called "stakeholders" for prospective mines and there is a deep desire by mining interests to explore for more. The international market for uranium has gone up over 800% over the last decade and that has fueled the debate over mining in the areas on the north rim and south rim around the park. The AZGFD is not on the side of sportsman and fisherman with this issue. In fact, when they link this issue with the Utah effort to take over federal private lands for private interests. With the rise in value of natural resources, the pressure will continue to grow for federal land holdings to be transferred over to private interests to "access" those resources. As sportsman, the national monument wont stop hunting or hinder our access. This issue is directly related to the efforts to get at the value of the Natural resources. If access is lost, it will be at the hands of those interests, not as a result of National monument designation. For example, look at the Agua Fria National Monument. We can hunt and camp and do whatever in a national monument. The only limit in a national monument is upon it's destruction. The rise of Asian economies is going to continue and therefor the value of natural resources will rise with them, If the area is turned into National Monument, the result would prevent mining companies of defeating the Feds in the courts in the Feds efforts to prevent the Grand Canyon from becoming a mining operation all around it. The mines wouldn't hire a lot of people and will not have much of a benefit for Arizona's economy, but when big money talks. This is all part of a bigger story. This is a direct challenge to the Feds efforts to maintain public lands in the west. Our wide open public lands are under severe threat in the west. As long as market prices continue to rise for natural resources, and they will, then this is going to be a long fight to preserve the wide open spaces that defines the west. The very lands that we hunt on can be lost to "NO TRESPASSING" signs if we sportsman and westerners fail to recognize what is going on here. Our beloved Game and Fish aren't with us and are using lies and rhetorical language to distort the issue. Personally, I am deeply bothered by Arizona's Game and Fish depts position on this issue. They are NOT on the side of us sportsman. They are, in fact, trying to hide the truth that they are representing interests that are counter to their mission. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted February 6, 2015 The Fed's love their "Eminent Domain", powers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted February 6, 2015 I trust the GF more than I trust CBD, Sierra Club, and the FED govt. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted February 6, 2015 The Fed's love their "Eminent Domain", powers. If, by "Eminent Domain" means protecting the interests of those of us that recreate, hunt and fish on public lands, then I'd say thank God. Without Federal lands, our rights and opportunities as hunters and outdoorsman are lost forever. That is unless you are a multimillionaire and therefor could afford to buy your piece of the "sale-off" of our public lands. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted February 6, 2015 The Fed's love their "Eminent Domain", powers. If, by "Eminent Domain" means protecting the interests of those of us that recreate, hunt and fish on public lands, then I'd say thank God. Without Federal lands, our rights and opportunities as hunters and outdoorsman are lost forever. That is unless you are a multimillionaire and therefor could afford to buy your piece of the "sale-off" of our public lands. You are seriously misguided if you think the Fed's have our best interest's in mind. I will let you in on a little secret ....."They don't" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted February 6, 2015 The Fed's love their "Eminent Domain", powers. If, by "Eminent Domain" means protecting the interests of those of us that recreate, hunt and fish on public lands, then I'd say thank God. Without Federal lands, our rights and opportunities as hunters and outdoorsman are lost forever. That is unless you are a multimillionaire and therefor could afford to buy your piece of the "sale-off" of our public lands. You are seriously misguided if you think the Fed's have our best interest's in mind. I will let you in on a little secret ....."They don't" My friend, it is you that is completely misguided if you think protecting our public lands comes down to partisan politics. I am a political "independent" who fights both sides. Simply put, Democrats wants my guns and Republicans wants my public lands. The end of my way of life is lost either way. I don't take sides in political partisanship, but deal with every issue independent of partisan bias. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted February 6, 2015 THe Fed's are just like Wall Street. They will Hedge their holdings for future leverage, and/or profit. It has nothing to do with the best interests of the hunter or taxpayer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted February 6, 2015 Helps Clear red tape for wolf introduction. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted February 6, 2015 Helps Clear red tape for wolf introduction. We certainly need more hybrid mutt's running around, and scarfing up the limited deer population of the strip. "I'm from the Federal government, and I'm here to help" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MT_Sourdough Report post Posted February 6, 2015 No impact, one way or other regarding wolves. I grew up on a ranch in Montana, 15 miles north of Butte Montana. I know about wolves, mining and dealing with Feds 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
