Ethics

[mattys281]

I dont know of too many people who use just one camera. When I find one I assume it to be one of many and will not give a spot any type of consideration just because theres a camera there. That $100 they spent only got them a camera, not a five acre plot of forest land. I would never mess with anyone's gear, but im not changing my plans because some guy has one of his ten cameras on a certain tree.

 

Now if I actually bumped into the guy, I'd share honest information wish him luck and move on. He got there first. But no piece of gear is a permanent sign of reserved rights to the area.

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Wilderness areas are off limits to camera. Illegal to leave them in wilderness. I agree with madx.

[8OWHUNT247]

I guess we can all take the law into our hands now...

madx, steal away i guess since mulepacker thinks its okay.. It's alright, its most likely your parents fault.

[5guyshunting]

Wilderness areas are off limits to camera. Illegal to leave them in wilderness. I agree with madx.

hey not saying your wrong, but I have never heard that nor have I ever put one in the wilderness. I cant seem to find any thing in the laws that say this. If you have a link please post. Thanks

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Other threads in here on that. I called game and fish as well as forest service and they said no cameras allowed. Its abandoned property like the tree stand an blind deal. But in the wilderness areas its a big no no. Leave no trace policies. Look that up too. Its the only nice quiet PCs of land left

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

I guess I wouldn't take cams anywhere but I don't mind if someone wants to trash the ones in wilderness areas. Lol sorry guys but I love wilderness the way god intended it. Not the way some want it.

[5guyshunting]

Other threads in here on that. I called game and fish as well as forest service and they said no cameras allowed. Its abandoned property like the tree stand an blind deal. But in the wilderness areas its a big no no. Leave no trace policies. Look that up too. Its the only nice quiet PCs of land left

ill keep looking. I can only find info on commercial filming.

[elecshoc]

I think they're referring to the pack in/pack out policy. Just as trash you wouldn't leave in the area, its the same with a camera in a wilderness area. Not a specific rule aimed at stands or cameras.

[Havasuhunter]

Don't use game cameras and if you do, set up in a place so far back, no one in their right mind would set up except you.

 

Flame on guys! I can take it!

 

Just kidding. It all comes down to first come, first serve the day of the hunt. On public land it resets every day. Just the way it is. Setting up before the hunt, putting up cams on public land gives you no more right to a spot than the guy that just drove in from West Hollywood for his mid life crisis first hunt.

[AZLance]

First come, First served is not a rule... it is a suggestion from Game and Fish.

 

Public land is owned by all of us...not just the first one there.

[Havasuhunter]

Yep, there is no law keeping you from walking right up on someone right in the middle of a stalk or on a stand, it's just good ethics to not do that. I try to avoid conflicts with other hunters and non hunters at all costs. But some people get all territorial and think they own public land. They are correct, they do own it, as do I and every other US citizen.

[sjvcon]

I am not a fan of cameras, though I would never tamper with one someone set up. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Vandalism and/or stealing is wrong, no matter how you try to justify it.

 

First come first served is the suggestion ... one that anyone with any real ethics would follow. Get up early and get to your spot. If you get beat there, get up earlier tomorrow. Having your camera and stand there is not first come ... it is not "claiming your spot". Having your butt there first is first come, at least in my book. Yeah ... we all own it ... Public Land, but interrupting someone else's hunt (someone who beat you there) because you're a D-Bag with no ethics is inexcusable.

 

Let's be realistic ... you can't put stuff out days or even weeks before the season opens and say "this is mine". That's not realistic, or ethical in my opinion. I've run into numerous old timers who don't put out cameras and stands who have hunted areas for 30, 40, even 50 years. You think putting stuff out on a spot should "cut them out" of a hole they have hunted since childhood. Nope. Sorry. And most of those old timers would abide by the first come line of ethics too

 

While on that subject ... guys that put their trailers on prime camp spots in areas with limited spots 2-3 weeks prior to season and leave them there really torque me off. Especially since seasons stack up on each other and some persons "un-manned" rig could spoil the spot for someone on a different hunt. Also an "ethic-less" move.

[Havasuhunter]

I am not a fan of cameras, though I would never tamper with one someone set up. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Vandalism and/or stealing is wrong, no matter how you try to justify it.

 

First come first served is the suggestion ... one that anyone with any real ethics would follow. Get up early and get to your spot. If you get beat there, get up earlier tomorrow. Having your camera and stand there is not first come ... it is not "claiming your spot". Having your butt there first is first come, at least in my book. Yeah ... we all own it ... Public Land, but interrupting someone else's hunt (someone who beat you there) because you're a D-Bag with no ethics is inexcusable.

 

Let's be realistic ... you can't put stuff out days or even weeks before the season opens and say "this is mine". That's not realistic, or ethical in my opinion. I've run into numerous old timers who don't put out cameras and stands who have hunted areas for 30, 40, even 50 years. You think putting stuff out on a spot should "cut them out" of a hole they have hunted since childhood. Nope. Sorry. And most of those old timers would abide by the first come line of ethics too

 

While on that subject ... guys that put their trailers on prime camp spots in areas with limited spots 2-3 weeks prior to season and leave them there really torque me off. Especially since seasons stack up on each other and some persons "un-manned" rig could spoil the spot for someone on a different hunt. Also an "ethic-less" move.

+1. Exactly the way I feel. Anything left out to "claim" a spot is a dick move. If your at home, all your crap should be at home with you. Don't spoil it for others by leaving stuff out there. I leave no trace, so a spot you think your claiming by leaving a stand or a camera may be a spot Ive been watching for months, you'd just never know it.

[elkaholic]

Just for definition - what do you call moving to another spot- 50 yrds - 100 yrds - 1/4 mile or hike the 3 miles back to the truck and drive 5 miles and walk into another hunter in that spot

 

If I'm in a spot and someone sees me I'd rather they turn around and leave instead of coming over and disrupting my hunt.

 

9 chances out of 10 they will come over chat and still walk in the direction I expected to see an animal coming. never fails

 

Not much anyone can do really - just hope it doesn't happen every day

 

As far as cameras I have a few out and expect them to disappear but so far I've been lucky. while scouting I do chat with others whom happen upon "MY SPOT" and I'm not as honest as they'd like but hey they guess I'm here for a reason and you can bet a dollar to a dime they will return.

 

sharing information goes so far and before you know it one guy tells another and then the word spreads and you have guys showing up - whom never would have -only on the conversation that I seen this guy and he had a camera up - so lets go hunt there,

 

do not let others change your plans - try to be "polite" and adjust your hunt accordingly !

 

cameras are a tool to get information - they don't claim anything - get over it already

 

I'd be out checking the cameras in "MY SPOT" today but dang head cold and with all the snow - I'll wait a day or 2 - piggy guys will be all over the place and a few deer guys too - hope the roads / snow turned a few back - lol

 

hey naturegirl - does that mean I got to find your camera to get your name and number - lol

did you draw a turkey tag ?

[ThomC]

This discussion problem is a direct result of overpopulation. The population of the US has doubled in the last 60 years. How many years will it take to double again? You will have to get used to living elbow to elbow, blind to blind. Get used to it or do something about it.