AZGFD IS ASKING FOR SUGGESTIONS

[muskeg]

Arizona is the only state that has had a federally mandated bomb dropped on it, like this

 

Well, as far as a non-res quota.

 

But when the Federal Government took over the Fish and Game management in Alaska alot of people considered that quite a bombshell, also.

 

I consider the current administration in DC (no mater who it is) as mostly responsible for the current actions of the persons making the decisions about things that go on on the National Forest, BLM and Park Service lands. The heads of those agencies are carring out his agenda. All thats to political for me at this time.

 

AZ is not alone in this mater as haven't I just heard that USO sued Nevada in the last few days.

 

Seems like you guys in AZ have some deep issues with G&F mangement as far as tags go and the USO suit is just bringing things up front.

 

I was always under the impression that AZ had written the book on the Big Game draw and somewhat on Game mangement and almost everyone (including az residents) were mostly happy with the system. Now I see that's not so.

[az4life]

Muskeg

 

The real Problem is the LAWYAHS... They are the scourge of the country!

IMHO most of them are incredibly similar to a black hole surrounded with a sphincter muscle. (sorry for the graphic image butt lawyers just plain suck) They are the ones who control the flow of all things bad in the judicial system and all that trickles down to John Q Public.

 

I may be taking your comment different than your intent, but As far as your comment about seeing that not everyone is happy with the AZ draw system, you need to re-read the posts from the last 3 weeks! I think you will find almost 100% are happy with the way it ws. This includes all but a very small minority of non residents.

 

No sytem will ever satisfy EVERY person's wishes, so the best we can hope for is one that satisfies the VAST Majority As the current (past) AZ system was.

Edited January 1, 1970 by az4life

[25-06]

AZ4LIFE, I agree with you 100% . Terry Lambeth

[coues addict]

Az Residents

I have just read every post in this particular topic. I must tell everyone that I totally agree with Lark about the one single thing that I believe that Az. could do to change the system is to make everybody pay Up Front. Thats the way it used to be and it worked just fine. It makes you think twice about going somewhere or doing anything if you pay first. I am really concerned that if prices go up to dang much then I personally just won`t be able to afford to hunt in Az. I have always obided by Az. game rules and regulations with no questions asked. I have also helped many resident hunters with forgoten supplies, bedrolls, flat tires, food, etc. I even try to make it a point to ask the ranchers in the area if they need any help with anything. One time I actually did some welding for one old cowboy. I think nonresidents should pay more for tags and permits than residents. I just hope it doesn`t get to the point that only rich guys can afford to hunt. I am a firm believer in not reinventing the wheel. The old system seemed like it was ok and I am sure it had room for improvement, what system doesn`t. The internet has changed everything, lets face it, but is there some law that says you can`t go back to a system that basically worked? I have rambled way to much here so I apoligize for that! I am grateful that everyone has an opinion here, but I think Arizona residents should and will make all the final decisions. Good Luck Rich Thompson aka Coues Addict

[Guest Ernesto C]

Here my suggestions:

 

1-Az.should be the most expesive state to hunt for non-residents.(tags price sky high)(reduce tag price for residents )

2-Let Az.residents know where and when USO will be hunting (unit # and dates)

3-No more internet applications for non-residents.

4-Non-residents must pass a hunter safety course (some states require no-residents to have a safety course)

5-All non-residents must pass a drug test in order to hunt Az.

6-Az.Game and Fish must hire Jonny Cockran to figth this in court.

 

By raising the price of tags for NR. some of them will claim to be Az.residents so the G.& F. must require them proof of residency,like a letter from their work place,phone bill etc etc.

 

I also like some of your suggestions my fellow members,like make them wear blaze orange.

 

I apologize in advance if I offend any body with my post but you must understand that for every action there is a reaction so you know whos is responsible for all this mess,you know whos dividing or separating the hunters residents and non-residents alike.

 

The only thing I know is that....I don't know nothing.

 

God Bless.

[KGAINES]

If the uso don't quit, they better git.

I can here Johnny already Ernesto.

[KGAINES]

I think first off that our president whoever he may be at any time has bigger things to worry about than whether I get drawn or a non-resident gets drawn, that is why the government is split up as it is, and as far as states rights and hunting goes, congress and the supreme court are who is ultimately going to decide. In all reality we as individuals are the victims of some rich guy with a lawyers who have nothing better to do than create a division between hunters. We as hunters stick together for the most part, we might argue what, why, and how to hunt, but that is usually done in jest. Now I get the feeling most Arizona residents feel you are either with us or against us, and if your against us I for the life of me can't see why, all we wanted was to keep the current system, now I suspect there will be millions and millions of all of our tax dollars spent on this decision when it could have been spent on the wildlife.

[bullwidgeon]

Seems pretty simple to me. Hunting is not a constitutional right. Therefore making money off of hunters is not a constitutional right either. If they ban the sell of hides, heads and antlers then USO has no ground to stand on in this case and we can make the NR Tags go down to 0%. I think that would be best . Thats right folks 0%. I dont need to go anywhere but NM and since Jorge Taulman and his crew are in bed with Gov Richardson(I think that is his name) and the chumplords who run the show over there in NM then NR hunting will be allowed there forever, because we all know Jorge Taulman is not going to be able to guide NM locals all the time and make a living. Let them deal with his absurdity and lets take our state back and make it ours in a way is has not been since the 80's.

Bret M.

[Curtis]

The lift on the cap only applies to bull elk and deer north of the Colorado River, right? Well how about this crazy idea. They should have an exclusive non-resident deer hunt in units 12b, 13a, and 13b. Issue as many tags that would satisfy the courts and their mindless judges. Give em plenty of time for the hunt, let's say.....2 weeks. Schedule the hunt IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!!!! I've spent much time on the strip in the summer and let me tell you, finding even a doe is dang hard to do. Do something similar for elk. Who wants to go hunt a trophy bull when theyre not rutting, it's hotter than heck and their horns are still very premature? The courts say we have to let them hunt but they don't say WHEN!! This maybe far-fetched but it sounds good doesn't it?

 

By the way, U.S.O. also stands for: "Underhanded Scheming Outlaws" and heres one for you U.S.O.... U....Suck....Outload...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Curtis]

CORRECTION on the last line of last posting

 

Should read, U....Suck....Outloud....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[muskrat]

Regarding internet applications - can someone show me some stats regarding number of applicants pre-internet app versus number of applicants with internet application? I'm just curious. I thought I saw something this year showing that although the internet apps went way up, paper apps went way down, and there was a net increase, but not what everyone had predicted...

 

I like the internet applications. I guess everything is relative. Some people can afford Taulman, some people can afford to front tag money for 4 or 5 different species...

 

 

 

That being said, if the hunters of AZ and AZGF think that it is harming the Management Programs, of course, I'd agree with its removal...

 

M MacFarlane

[Diamondbackaz]

Here are some recommendations on writing letters to government officials.

 

? Keep your letter short and to the point. If you write a letter as long as a bible it will be less likely that someone is going to read in depth knowing that they have 20,000 other letters to read.

? Be complimentary and positive such as using ?Thank you for your time? and things like that. Showing that ?you have an attitude? and that ?you are angry? will usually go nowhere. Be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

? Don?t be a whiner and a complainer. Nobody likes crybabies, and who wants to read their letter.

? Be reasonable, taking extremist positions and giving unreasonable recommendations will go know where, open minds will slam shut.

? Don?t use insults or use innuendo comments. Telling the people that are reading the letters that they are a bunch of Dumb Asses will go nowhere. It might make you feel better, but that?s not why you are writing the letter.

? Write intelligently. If you write like a retard, you probably are. Remember, ?one can be judged by one?s writings?. If you have a letter with a lot of misspellings and grammatical errors, it makes you look bad. Remember, these letters become public record and are open for all to see. If you are not the best writer, use your Microsoft word program and write your letter there, and then copy and paste it in the comment space. That spell check and grammar check are great.

? Avoid developing an opinion on something based on assumptions and rumors.

Edited January 1, 1970 by Diamondbackaz

[muskrat]

Not that I'm a genius, but I do a lot of editing and writing. If anyone wants me to proof their letter, before they send it off to the powers that be - let me know. I'd be happy to help.

[coues addict]

Diamondbackaz

I appreciate what you are saying about letters that we can write and there general format, but I sure hope we are not going to be judged by our writing`s. You don`t have to be a brain surgeon to have good ideas. I think the Idea is to give good positive info that they feel they can use. I do not believe that we are all a bunch of Idiot`s, and I would think you feel the same way too. OBTW the correct spelling for know where is nowhere. Good Luck Coues Addict

[Diamondbackaz]

You got me on the nowhere and I will correct it. But read what I said, a Lot of errors. Most people will make some mistakes, as most of us are not English majors. What I am referring to is when people write things that are ridiculous and dumb with lots of errors. Here is a comment I took right of off this web site on the Buster thread: ?Buster pull your head out of your butt and breathe some fresh air. I don't care hoe much money you dnated to those USO asses far as I'm concern you can take your bullshit and take to another state you liberal SOB. And nut up and register on this site before you come over here and stir shoot up.? And that wasn?t the only one. Now, what can you say about this person who wrote this? Do you think any respectable person will respect this opinion? You are judged by the way you write. Would you submit a job resume with a bunch of errors?

Edited January 1, 1970 by Diamondbackaz