Coach Report post Posted November 3, 2014 goinhuntn, I feel your pain. I don't know what it is about AZ that people treat public land the way they do. Before I go on a graphic tirade about the horrible messes I find all over this state, I want to thank you for two things. First, for being that guy who cleans up the messes you didn't create, and secondly for bringing it up publicly. Between hunting and my family's love of hiking, canyoneering and exploring, I've been all over AZ, NM, CO and UT. Compared to our neighbor states AZ has a totally different culture when it comes to littering and respect for the land. I've been all over neighboring states and in Colorado and Utah, especially, people just don't throw beer cans out the window, dump whatever, wherever. NM is also noticeably cleaner. Any road that is easily accessible in AZ is littered on both sides. Two-track roads near any small town have full-on dumps where someone dumped couches, carpet, building materials, you name it. But the camp sites - just blow my mind. The mess left behind where people camp and fish and hunt - it's like they are going to be there once, and expect someone to come behind them and clean up when they are gone. The trash is awful, but the way they can't manage to handle the sanitary aspects, I just don't get it. Toilet paper, feminine products, diapers, I've seen where campers pulling out around Greens Peak and Big Lake literally dump their black tanks either in camp or driving out - raw sewage. I sure wish there was a way to fix it, but when people have that mentality that they are in some of the most beautiful country on earth and choose to trash it because they are too lazy, complacent or cheap to clean up after themselves, I don't see it getting better. I hope people will adopt the attitude that you leave each place better than you found it. Not only pack your mess out, clean up what the slob before you left, and maybe, finally, someone will not say, "heck there are beer cans all over the road, I may as well toss mine out too" or "it was already a mess when I got here, no sense in cleaning up before I leave." If we all make it as pristine as possible, maybe it will be harder for someone to be the first to disrespect it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HUNTnTAT2 Report post Posted November 3, 2014 I spend alot of time in 8 also and have seen alot more trash the past few years. Usually it is up north. Never seen too much off the 492. Was there a few months ago and it wasn't there. That sucks Man. It is gorgeous in the lower country Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4Falls Report post Posted November 3, 2014 I also spend great deal of time in 8 and up until recently lived very close to where you are talking about. I pick up other peoples stuff all the time but it just keeps getting worse and worse. Really bad out verde ranch road as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted November 3, 2014 It aint just the forest...take a look at a parking lot at Fry's......big gulp sitting next to where a car just pulled out.... The 1/8 mile between Circle K and the high school crap all along the way..... Look at the mess after a football game in the bleachers....really....just drop your trash so the wind we know is going to blow tomorrow sends it all over town??? The shopping cart that is 20 feet from the provided parking spot.... Two words Lazy, Lazy......bottom line.....LAZY......makes me puke. Thanks for those who do take the time to take care of their own mess and sometimes the mess of others...... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted November 3, 2014 It aint just the forest...take a look at a parking lot at Fry's......big gulp sitting next to where a car just pulled out.... The 1/8 mile between Circle K and the high school crap all along the way..... Look at the mess after a football game in the bleachers....really....just drop your trash so the wind we know is going to blow tomorrow sends it all over town??? The shopping cart that is 20 feet from the provided parking spot.... Two words Lazy, Lazy......bottom line.....LAZY......makes me puke. Thanks for those who do take the time to take care of their own mess and sometimes the mess of others...... You said it man. People who don't work for anything don't respect anything. And that's the trend in society. "We don't have to work for it, we deserve it just because we're here doing you all a favor by turning oxygen into carbondioxide..." Actually, most of them probably aren't even good for that. If they were consuming oxygen, you'd likely see some functioning of the brain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
