I dont understand

[lancetkenyon]

I have had different experiences with a well placed shot. Both rifle and archery.

 

Had them drop like a sack of hammers.

Had them stand for about 10-20 seconds then keel over.

Had them run for 30-150 yards and pile up (animals can cover that distance quickly).

Had them run off and bed down, then get jumped out of bed and run off again only to die within sight.

 

And you need to watch more hunting shows. I have seen plenty drop like a stone. I hope to have that happen twice in the next 2 months.

[100%DIYazCOUES]

All I've got to say is go build yourself a remote brush blind azshooter,and give it a try.I'll be looking forward to your 100" buck pics year after year since its so easy.

 

I use different hunting techniques, and blind hunting for coues ain't easy. In my opinion its 100x more difficult getting within bow range of a coues in a brush blind then shooting a deer from 500+ yards with a rifle..

 

I prefer spot and stalk,but I think people picture blinds as tripod houses over corn.not mine! Mine are usually a remote v of brush in a strategic spot.the patience to hunt that way is in itself a respectable skill.

[POB]

I think most eastern whitetail are 1/3 to 1/2 again larger than our coues. I think Oneshot would agree with me on this. Another thing to consider is most shots are less than the 300- 400 yard shots we seem to find common in Az. Most hunters are probably not using magnum calibers.

[Guest wdenike]

100%,

Was looking at the post. And although I quoted you. It probably appeared I was just singling you out. When really I miss read your post. Even though you probably feel like most have indicated on this. I feel I made the mistake publicly. So you deserve the apology publicly. So sorry for that. But my feeling is still the same as stated. For all that watch to much TV AND BELIEVE TO MUCH INTERNET B.S.

 

 

 

 

Wow!!! I have hunted one critter or another. From Southern Maine to Northern Florida, and West into the Heart Land, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, Utah, and Arizona. Being that stories are beloved here. Where is it of which you speak?? Where these White Tail deer commit suicide and jump in pick-ups. And please share your worldly wisdom of these places you have been with stories. I believe everyone will even excuse the lack of pictures. Or is this post just a mine is bigger than yours post?? In which you along with some others. Would probably be more comfortable discussing the proper phonics, or democratic decision in regard to these other ghost deer you also speak of.

 

 

Take care, Willie

[Zeke-BE]

 

I agree back east isnt much of hunting. More like sitting and shooting. But hey if it makes them happy then what the heck.

I actually agree with you, I was asking 300 why he thought that to build off my comment made in the post about spot and stalk or blind and tree stand sitting. I say that because it takes absolutely zero skill set to sit on your a$$ in a ground blind or in a tree stand over water and kill something. Someone actually tried to say that it's not easy finding a spot to put a ground blind or tree stand, any numb skull could figure out to set it next to water or near a large game trail.

Anyways, I agree, back east "hunting" isn't really hunting. It's waiting and killing. My favorite part is when they get dressed up in all the camo and all the scent cover sprays and then go sit in an elevated blind over a corn field with windows and a heater. Go get 'em! Haha

 

 

 

Or start crying after they shot their monster buck from their elevated stand ,shooting through their open glass window, on top of their food plot, and feeder. Seems like most of them are like that. Raley have I've seen any stalks in the thick bush. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't go back east and shoot off a tree stand on a game trail to shot a nice eastern buck.

[az_shooter]

All I've got to say is go build yourself a remote brush blind azshooter,and give it a try.I'll be looking forward to your 100" buck pics year after year since its so easy.

 

I use different hunting techniques, and blind hunting for coues ain't easy. In my opinion its 100x more difficult getting within bow range of a coues in a brush blind then shooting a deer from 500+ yards with a rifle..

 

I prefer spot and stalk,but I think people picture blinds as tripod houses over corn.not mine! Mine are usually a remote v of brush in a strategic spot.the patience to hunt that way is in itself a respectable skill.

I agree 100%, it is a lot harder than shooting a deer with a rifle from a distance where he doesn't even know your there, but I'm not talking about that. Being able to get close to a deer in a blind is not the same as getting in close by stalking, not even an arguable comparison. How many times have you been busted while sitting in a blind? How many times have you been busted while trying to sneak in close to a Coues? Bet I know what answer is higher, unless you just have never done spot and stalk bow hunting for Coues.

Nothing against your hunting techniques 100%DIY, but there is no way a good argument can be made when comparing spot and stalk versus ground blind/tree stand hunting down south here.

[Snapshot]

I don't understand why anyone would watch those Eastern Hunting shows Foodplots,, and treestands, makes me want to shoot my television.

[100%DIYazCOUES]

Azshooter I'm not saying spot and stalk is easier.I agree with you its more difficult then hunting out of a blind. At least with a bow...I was reacting to you saying that anyone can sit a blind and kill bucks,that its killing not hunting.I couldn't disagree more,not around here and not how I do it.its a hunting technique that takes experience and knowledge of your targeted animal to get good at,just like spot and stalk. I think a good hunter evaluates the situation and uses whatever technique or skill he knows that is most effective in that scenario.brush blinds are one of those tools for me,and I've had success using them.I've also spot and stalked with success,and still hunted with success. They're all options that I can deploy that make me a more effective,well rounded hunter. BUT, I still prefer glassin the hills and screwin up stalks!

[HuntHarder]

Different hunts, hunting situations call for different approaches. Patterning animals in AZ is not an easy task. To say hunting from a blind is easy, or takes no skill, is not a very true statement.

 

I have taken many animals spot and stalk archery, but have also taken a few sitting water. Knowing which water they are going to hit that evening, placing your blind, or building a blind on the right side of the wind, predicting where an animal will enter the waterhole, can all be factors that can make for a successful or unsuccessful hunt.

 

I am sure most able bodied hunters prefer the spot and stalk method, because lets face it, sitting tree stands or water can be BORING!! IMO, adapting to the hunting pressure or animal tendencies during said hunt is what makes the hunt. Takes a lot of knowledge and skill to shy away from what your normal style of hunting is, in order to be successful.

 

There have been many great animals posted on this site that have been killed from a stand or blind. Some of the hunter put in over 10 days trying to make their hunt successful.

 

Back east, the hunting is completely different than out west. They are really not comparable. If you go tromping thru the thick brush pockets, your odds of killing a dear are probably going to be less than 10%. It is very thick, with lots, as I call them, land mines. ( objects on the ground that will produce a bunch of noise when stepped on.) Some of my buddies from back east, put in soooooo much time scouting, it is unbelievable. Patterning a big buck is an almost impossible task, when they go nocturnal. Knowing how to catch him in the daylight is where their skill comes in.

 

As Oneshot stated: Go back there and try it, it may not be as easy as you think.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

friends dont let friends hunt back east

[az_shooter]

Ok, I don't want to measure d+cks over a computer screen, I made some bold comments about the use of ground blinds and I stand by them. I cannot argue that they are just another useful tool in the toolbox of hunting, I guess it's just not one of my tools. Maybe because I've not used them a whole lot and haven't fully learned the "technique". Maybe I should take oneshot up on his offer to see for myself.

So oneshot, how much does it cost to get out there and hunt? If you're serious about your comment then I guess I should at least try.

[Swivelhead]

 

Reality is, most eastern hunters must lease or buy land to have a place to hunt. For many, that is not an option so they join a hunt club or brave public land hunting eastern style My hat is off to the eastern hunter, they are committed outdoorsmen.

 

Landowners, leases, hunt clubs etc. generally create habitats to keep game on their properties. Still hunting, drives, spot & stalk tend to move game off these respective properties. This is why easterners primarily sit rather than beat the bushes. Most are very careful about stand locations, scent control, etc. Many have it down to a fine art.

[Guest wdenike]

Made change to post above.

 

 

 

Take care, willie

[100%DIYazCOUES]

No worries Willie I figured you misread it by your response. It happens.

I get stressed that someone's gonna be in 'my' spot in wide open Arizona public land,I can't imagine the stress back east.I'm sure they're good at what they do its just very different.

[Guest wdenike]

Yeah, I read it quick typed quick. Then got company and never re-read. But it is comical how people repeat mis information over and over until the B.S. Tries to become truth. I have been all over that country. And it is not as western myth would have one believe. I simply chuckle when the ones that open mouth insert foot. As there is not much hunting going on, on twenty or thirty acre pieces. And wonder if those that can't resist the desire to pound out B.S. On the computer. Realize that the Adirondacks can fit four of the larger National Parks here in the West. Within it's boundaries . One of them being our Grand Canyon. Then their is the Catskills Mountain range. Put together those with the fact that most rural farms are between two and eight hundred acres. And unless a person is an azz hat or the private owner manages the property for his family to Hunt. People don't normally sit home crying that there Is no where to hunt. And all the suicidal deer that all the knowledgable people that never drew a breath in that country. Claim are running into bullets and arrows. Really have no problem disappearing.

 

 

 

Take care, Willie