azpackhorse Report post Posted March 1, 2007 If I remember correct AZGF did have some of the trail-cam photos posted a couple of years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kilimanjaro Report post Posted March 1, 2007 I have a friend who treed one up in Brown canyon in the Baboquivari Mtns while lion hunting back in '99 or 2000. They took a TON of pics of it, let it go, and got in contact with Fish& Wildlife when they got the pics developed that evening.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azpackhorse Report post Posted March 2, 2007 Scottyboy, his name isn't Gavin Weller by any chance is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted March 2, 2007 Before legal jaguar hunting was closed in Arizona in the late 1960s (I think), a distant relative of my wife from the Magee Ranch southwest of Tucson killed one near Patagonia. He and the cat were both stalking a herd of javelina when he saw and shot it. It was the last legal jaguar taken in the United States. A short time after jaguar hunting closed, two young men shot a jaguar while hunting ducks near Nogales and were cited. They claimed they had shot it in self defense. I remember they somehow were related to the judge, but I have forgotten how or what happened at their trial. Then, in the late 1980s or early 1990s, a young houndman treed and shot a jaguar in the Doz Cabeza Mountains. A few years later he was cited when he tried to sell the mount of that jaguar to two undercover game and fish agents who had lured them into crossing into New Mexico with it. The judge threw out the case because in the course of the investigation the undercover guys shots bear, javelina and bighorn sheep to "get close" to the perp. The judge said they had gone too far when they shot the sheep. Also in the mix, jaguars in the U.S. had not yet been listed as an endangered species because everyone thought they were extinct up here. Jaguars historically were found from Arizona to Argentina. There is no place where they can be hunted legally today. That does not mean they are not being hunted. Some Mexican and Cental and South American ranchers still kill them on sight. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
COOSEFAN Report post Posted March 2, 2007 Hey...has anyone seen that lifesize critter in the "Road Kill" restaraunt in Seligman? I've always thought that was a Jaguar, it looks just like that Jag in those pic's I posted. It is an old mount, but maybe it's a Leopard? JIM> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted March 2, 2007 The way to tell if a large spotted cat is a jaguar or a leopard is to look at its spots. Leopards have true spots. Jaguars have "rosettes" with spots inside them. Incidentally, leopards also are found in Asia. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SilentButDeadly Report post Posted March 5, 2007 I got this photo from the folks over at Saguaro National Park - it is supposedly an Arizona Historical Society photo. It was taken in 1902 - the jaguar was killed in the Rincons. Do not reproduce this image for sale - I had to get permission from the Historical Society to post it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25-06 Report post Posted March 5, 2007 I got this photo from the folks over at Saguaro National Park - it is supposedly an Arizona Historical Society photo. It was taken in 1902 - the jaguar was killed in the Rincons. Do not reproduce this image for sale - I had to get permission from the Historical Society to post it. This photo is also in a book about cats, I just cant remember the name of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daryl_s Report post Posted March 5, 2007 I got this photo from the folks over at Saguaro National Park - it is supposedly an Arizona Historical Society photo. It was taken in 1902 - the jaguar was killed in the Rincons. Do not reproduce this image for sale - I had to get permission from the Historical Society to post it. That's a really cool picture....doesn't look like that guy missed any meals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rembrant Report post Posted March 6, 2007 If I was an animal activist, working for the International Wildlife Coalition (or any other animal activist organization), I would have people scanning hunting sites like this one, looking for illegal activity. To find a taxidermist in Mexico, or anywhere else, that is mounting jaguars and having him busted, thrown in jail and out of business, would amount to being a real animal activist trophy. Who in Hermosillo wouldn't take $100. to identify all the taxidermists they know of? Just a reminder that anything posted on this site can be read by anyone and everyone - globally. And you know what? Busting people that kill or mount jaguars would be a good thing. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.270 Report post Posted March 6, 2007 hey rembrandt, you're acting as if mexico pays attention to the law. if you have the right protection, ain't nothin' gonna happen to ya in mexico. heck, they can't even convict jag poachers in the U.S. i empathize with what you're sayin', but it's mexico. it's like a whole 'nother country. my oldest son and his pals got robbed at machinegun point in mexico 3 weeks ago. by the cops. some boy mountin' jags for a well connected jefe with a rancho grande ain't got much to worry about. Lark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rembrant Report post Posted March 7, 2007 You are right Lark. Heck, Dog the Bounty Hunter went down there and did the right thing, and now Mexico wants his butt for showing them up! Why should a government care about a cat, when they don't care about their own corruption, drug trade, economy, or in short; people. Sorry to hear about your son and his buddies. Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coues 'n' Sheep Report post Posted March 7, 2007 You are right Rembrant. You got me. I am a HEAVY DRINKER of the TECATES and a admited LIAR . I frequently make up stories and stuff up about kitty cats. I sorry to every one here for having to read BS. I promise to never do it again. Well thanks for spinning such an informative 'yarn' More D!!!! It was interesting as well as entertaining! Feel free to 'lie' to us again, any time you feel the need!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YOUNGGUNZ Report post Posted March 7, 2007 I have a friend who treed one up in Brown canyon in the Baboquivari Mtns while lion hunting back in '99 or 2000. They took a TON of pics of it, let it go, and got in contact with Fish& Wildlife when they got the pics developed that evening.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YOUNGGUNZ Report post Posted March 7, 2007 I have a friend who treed one up in Brown canyon in the Baboquivari Mtns while lion hunting back in '99 or 2000. They took a TON of pics of it, let it go, and got in contact with Fish& Wildlife when they got the pics developed that evening.. I have seen the cat he is talking about in 36C. A buddy and I were quail hunting about two miles north of the border. We spotted him longer after he saw us, he was scootin up the far side of the canyon we were in, after we had just shot at some birds. It was quite a sight. He was much bigger than I thought they were. He seemed to be six to seven feet long with shorter legs than a Mt. lion. It is a sight that I won't soon forget. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
