Cited by AZGF

[sjvcon]

Things I have learned from this forum:

 

Don't shoot Shitbirds.

Don't commit grammatical errors in posts.

Worden is a word.

The Marines and Army have a rivalry (ok...I knew that).

AzLance is a "Bully" who is really a "Softie".

AZGFD needs to police itself better.

 

Anything I missed?

[Guest 300ultramag.]

Things I have learned from this forum:

 

Don't shoot Shitbirds.

Don't commit grammatical errors in posts.

Worden is a word.

The Marines and Army have a rivalry (ok...I knew that).

AzLance is a "Bully" who is really a "Softie".

AZGFD needs to police itself better.

 

Anything I missed?

 

 

We should (Az sportsman) should be reinstated financial restitution for the gross negligence and nonfeasance of the jaguar incident.

to the tune of some 50k

[Hunterjohnny]

Things I have learned from this forum:

 

Don't shoot Shitbirds.

Don't commit grammatical errors in posts.

Worden is a word.

The Marines and Army have a rivalry (ok...I knew that).

AzLance is a "Bully" who is really a "Softie".

AZGFD needs to police itself better.

 

Anything I missed?

An 8th grade education pays better than a college degree!

[Adicted]

Thats BS that kid got cited....G&F want kids to get into the sport. So a kid made a simple mistake to a dang tweetie bird.. Come on give the dude a break and just talk to him. Gonna scare that kid to never hunt again. Just my opinion. That warden needs to get a life

[elkaholic]

There is no way in heck that this kid shoulda got a citation for a sparrow

 

G&F - you aren't doing the youth program any good if you chit pick about a sparrow

 

whom ever this G&F wildlife -worden -warden - cop - is there a quota you need to fill -??

 

teaching a lesson is one thing - but to go to the extent that you went to give this citation proves you really do not know how to deal with the youth hunters

 

like he wanted to write a ticket and after he couldn't find anything else wrong . went out of this way to make sure this youth would remember not to shoot a sparrow

 

especially when we all know the crap these wildlife managers seem to get away with!

[Kuma]

I'm saddened to think that this kid could have a documented record over this situation. He will be applying for a job in the near future and it could come back and haunt him.

[Guest 300ultramag.]

the fact that he kept the dumb bird screams his innocence....

[lancetkenyon]

Where did this happen? There are a lot of areas closed by G&F for the House Sparrow limited season, even though it is open year round. If he was in one of these closed areas, he did commit the offense. Sorry, and I hope I am wrong in my assumption of location. See the notes below. A lot of areas with 25M (greater Phx. area hunt unit) are closed to sparrow hunting.



1. The U.S. Army Yuma Proving Ground
is closed to hunting, except those areas
open in accordance with U.S. Army
regulations to properly licensed hunters
holding a valid Yuma Proving Ground
Hunting Program Access permit. Hunting
access permit holders are required to sign
a Hold Harmless Agreement and complete
a Range Safety Briefing. Occasionally, due
to military activities, some affected hunting
areas may be temporarily closed. For
information write: U.S. Army Yuma Proving
Ground - Bldg. 105, Attn: Hunting
Program, 301 C. Street, Yuma, AZ 85365-
9498 or call (928) 328-2630, or www.
yuma.army.mil/hunting_program.htm.
6. The Grand Canyon-Parashant, Vermilion
Cliffs, Sonoran Desert, Ironwood Forest,
and Agua Fria National Monuments are
open to hunting when the unit they occur
in is open to hunting.
7. The following described area in Unit 26M
is closed to hunting: those private lands
lying just north of the Town of Cave Creek
in Sections 10, 11, 12, 14 and 15 of Township
6 North, Range 4 East.
8. A portion of Unit 25M is closed to hunting.
Hunting is not permitted in the following
area of Unit 25M: an unincorporated portion
of land west of Loop 202 (San Tan
Freeway) known as the Elliot and Hawes
County Island in Section 16, Township 1
South, Range 7 East.
9. Entry into portions of Units 40A, 40B, 46A,
and 46B is subject to military closure and
requires coordination with the appropriate
land management agency for hunting
access to Barry M. Goldwater Range
(BMGR) and some adjacent areas. The
BMGR is closed to hunting except open
public recreational use areas, as allowed
by an authorized entry permit. For specifics
about accessing the BMGR refer to the
Index: Hunting on Military Reservations.
10. The Florence Military Reservation (training
areas B and D: the areas north and
south of Cottonwood Canyon Road) in
Unit 37B is subject to short term closures
due to military operations, including live
fire operations, and requires coordination
with the Florence Military Reservation
for hunting access. For specific closure
dates or any other access concerns, contact
the Florence Military Reservation at
602-267-2062. A map of the Florence Military
Reservation is located on the Arizona
Game and Fish Department’s website,
azgfd.gov (type Florence Military Reservation
in the search box).
11. The following described area in Unit 26M
is closed to hunting: the unincorporated
portion of land within the Town of Queen
Creek in Pinal Countyin Sections 5, 7, 8,
and 18 of Township 3 South, Range 8 East.
12. Within Unit 25M as described in R12-
4-108, all incorporated lands, including
private property within municipal boundaries,
are closed to hunting unless opened
under Commission Order. Incorporated
includes all municipal and corporate limits.
County islands are open to hunting
provided the hunter does not discharge
a firearm within 1/4 mile of an occupied
farmhouse, residence, cabin, lodge, or
building without permission of the owner
or resident. Privately held lands within
county islands may be closed by the
landowner.
13. The following described area in the City
of Maricopa in Unit 26M is closed to hunting:
that portion of the city east of Green
Road, south of Smith Enke Road, and east
of the Cobblestone subdivision and that
portion of the city north of Farrell Road
and west of White and Parker Road.
14. The following described area in the Town
of Eloy in Units 26M and 37A is closed to
hunting: beginning with the intersection of
Cornman Road and LaPalma Road; south
on LaPalma Road to Milligan Road; west
on Milligan Road to Overfield Road; north
on Overfield Road to Cornman Road; east
on Cornman Road to LaPalma Road.
15. The following Pima County parks and preserves
are open to hunting when the unit
they occur in is listed as an open area: A-7
Ranch in Units 32 and 33, Oracle Ridge
Property in Unit 33, Six Bar Ranch in Unit
33, Emperita Ranch in Unit 34B, Bar V
Ranch in Unit 34B, Sands Ranch in Unit
34B, Clyne Ranch in Unit 34B, Diamond
Bell Ranch in Unit 36A, Marley Ranch in
Units 36A and 36B, Rancho Seco in Units
36A and 36B, Kings 98 Ranch in Unit 36C,
Old Hayhook Ranch in Unit 36C, Verdugo
in Unit 36C, Bee Ranch in Unit 37A, Mordka
Ranch in Unit 37A, Buckelew Ranch in
Unit 37A, Carpenter Ranch in Unit 37A,
Cochie Canyon Ranch in Unit 37A, Lords
Ranch in Unit 37A, and Tortolita Mountain
Park in Unit 37A. Hunting in County Parks,
opened by this Commission Order, is not
permitted within ¼ mile of any developed
picnic area, developed camp ground,
shooting range, occupied building, boat
ramp, or golf course. Developed areas do
not include trails.
16. The following described area in Unit 36B
is closed to hunting: in the posted portion
of Sopori Ranch south of Arivaca Road in
Sections 14 and 15, Township 20 South,
Range 11 East. The remainder of Sopori
Ranch is open to hunting.
17. The following described area in the Town
of Marana in Unit 37A is closed to hunting:
beginning at the intersection of
Sanders Road and Avra Valley Road; north
on Sanders Road to the Santa Cruz River;
southeast along the Santa Cruz River to
the Central Arizona Project Canal; southwest
along the Central Arizona Project
Canal to Avra Valley Road; west on Avra
Valley Road to the intersection of Sanders
Road.
92 Arizona Game and Fish Department — www.azgfd.gov
Getting Started,
License and Fees
Small Game and Other Wildlife Seasons
Small Game Hunting Notes
18. The following described area in the Town
of Quartzsite in Units 43A and 44B is
closed to hunting: Sections 15, 16, 17, 20,
21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33,
34, and 35, Township 4 North, Range 19
West and Sections 2, 3, and 4, Township 3
North, Range 19 West.
19. The following Maricopa County parks and
preserves are open to hunting as defined
in R12-4-321: Lake Pleasant, White Tank
Mountains, McDowell Mountain, and Estrella
Mountain Regional Parks. Hunting
in County Parks, opened by this Commission
Order, is not permitted within ¼ mile
of any developed picnic area, developed
camp ground, shooting range, occupied
building, boat ramp, or golf course. Developed
areas do not include trails.
20.In Units 11M and 38M, the private property
within municipal boundaries is closed
to hunting.
21. The area in Unit 37A in the Town of Marana
is subject to temporary closures in
February for special events. All state lands
located south of Cochie Canyon Trail in
Township 11 South, Range 12 East.
27. The following City of Tucson water Properties
located in Avra Valley are open to
hunting via foot access only: the Duval
property in Unit 36C and the Buckelew
property in Unit 37A; all other Tucson water
properties are closed to hunting.
28.In the northern portion of Unit 5A, access
is permitted on the Clear Creek Ranch
by written permission only by contacting
the Hopi Tribe Wildlife and Ecosystems
Management Program via e-mail at hopihunts@
hopi.nsn.us or by calling (928)
734-3606 or (928) 734-3605 from Monday-
Friday 8am-5pm. Please contact in
advance to gain access for hunting and
scouting. In Unit 5B North, access is permitted
on the Hopi’s Hart/Drye Ranch
and in Unit 4A on the Hopi’s Aja Ranch by
signing in at designated sign-in boxes located
at access points.

[countrykid]

the fact that he kept the dumb bird screams his innocence....

[countrykid]

Exactly my thoughts, at least the kid picked it up and didn't just leave it out there. If he had just left it the officer wouldn't have even known that he had shot the stupid thing! The game and fish are crying about needing more hunters to pay for conservation but then do stupid crap like this to a kid who is just beginning to start his hunting career. A little common sense could go a long way.

[AZLance]

Folks...I can't make this stuff up...to funny and my apologies to whoever first posted "Worden"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Worden

 

 

Sincerly,

The Bully

[stanley]

the fact that he kept the dumb bird screams his innocence....

 

Actually, to me it doesn't say anything about innocence. It simply bolsters the argument that he didn't know it was illegal (innocence and ignorance are different).

 

That being said, I of course agree with the majority here that a citation seems pretty harsh in this case. A little 'officer PR' and a discussion about rules & hunter responsibility would have gone much further and been much more effective IMO. Since he's a minor, hopefully the judge will see it that way. Also since he's a minor, hopefully it doesn't impact his record in the long-term (either way, I'm thinking this would not classify as a 'felony'...... I hope I'm right on that.).

 

S.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

Just for the record....is this what we are talking about???

 

[Guest 300ultramag.]

I wonder if this kid jay walks too? Good thing we nabbed him early on

[lancetkenyon]

I'm not making light of the fact that something might have been done that was not entirely legal. I am also not saying I have not mistakenly shot a bird that was not my intended game species. This will be a good lesson either way it turns out, to identify your target, and know when/where you can and can't hunt.

 

I am also not bashing the officer. Most of them are hard working agents doing a job they love for little pay. Leniency by an officer is based on his/her discretion. I was not there, so I do not know the entire story or witnessed what occurred, so I will not speculate on how it all went down. I would sincerely doubt any judge would throw the book at anyone for a first offence of shooting a Sparrow in a technically closed area.

 

We have determined that House Sparrow season is open year round for shotguns, statewide with a few closed areas specifically called out. We just need to determine WHERE this took place. If it was or was not in a closed area, might make all the difference in the world.