TwoGuns Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I will respectfully disagree w/ 2 guns. Although a fast bow does take some of the guesswork out if not using a rangefinder, lightning fast bows are less forgiving leaving no margin for error. I would advise you to have a pin for every 10 yds regardless of the bow's speed. I find it hard to believe there is an outback that shoots the same hole at 15yds and 40 yds. It is so important, especially with these coues that like to jump the string, to know exactly how far they are before touching the release trigger. I went with the Spot Hogg 7 pin on my Mathews Switchback XT. It is very high quality, and excellent for fine tuning. I do like the cross hair that can be removed if desired. I like the tiny fiberoptic points that allow for pinpoint accuracy, but they don't give off much light in low light periods. Most of the top quality sights out there are about equal imo. I dont disagree that a fast bow is less forgiving, and they do not leave a lot of room for error. However, at the same time they create less guesswork and eliminate a lot of the yardage guessing game. You may not believe it, but his Outback shoots incredibly flat. As long as his target is within 45 yrds or so, his first pin is a killig pin. Then he doesnt have a 50 yard pin, only 60, 75, and 90 yrd pins. The reason I think less pins is better, is simply because so many times when you are hunting, you dont have time to count down your pins, since most animals dont stand still long enough.... Anyway, I do think that if you shoot a slower bow, like I do, you might need more pins. I shoot an Mathews Ovation, that is 44" ata, with a 31" draw length, and it is a very sweet, smooth shooter. As far as lightning fast bows leaving no margin for error, my buddy works up at Camp Navajo and shoots his bow everyday all summer long which helps. He is an avid archer, and has killed somewhere around 32 deer, and 14 elk with his bow. He also drilled an Antelope buck at 104 yrds a few years ago. The guy really knows his stuff and is very convinced that the new faster bows make him a better hunter. He just bought a new XT, so we will see how it shoots... Good topic. Twoguns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ndaniel Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Get what you feel comfortable with, everyone has their own likes and dislikes. There are plenty of sights out there to accomodate every need, just make sure you are comfortable and confident shooting at longer distances. I'm not a fan of guys shooting 80-100 yards with their bows, that to me takes a bit away from bow hunting. If you want to shoot that far shoot a rifle, I have the utmost respect for guys that shoot traditional bows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobbyo Report post Posted January 31, 2007 Who says you need to be hunting to have a sight that shoots out to 100 yards. It is alot of fun and good exercise to take long distance shots. Me and my bow shooting buddy(non hunter) throw arrows out to 130 yards at targets. My sight only goes out to 110 so it is just a hold over and a guess. Sure we miss the target alot, but we shoot in a sandy river bottom and hardley ever break arrows. Plus imagine back and forth 10 to 15 times from a 100 yards in a sandy river bottom. You get tired! I would never shoot at an animal past my limitations, but it is great fun shooting targets at longer ranges. Younghunter let me reiterate that you should check out the slider/multi pin sights. You get the best of both worlds. Less clutter in your sight window and the ability to have a pin for long distance shooting. I have the one on top and like it.(cobra 3 I added two extra pins so mine has five). Randy Ulmer uses the second one(FuseNavigator) and I am thinking about getting the bottom one, (lethal weapon) ,but I am hedging because I hear the pin filliment rips out easily. A desert hunting no no. slider_sight.doc Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tucson John Report post Posted January 31, 2007 Bobyo, That is really cool! My Old Sonoran Hunter fell off my bow and was lost a couple of weeks ago. I used the sight off my buddy's wifes spare bow for the remainder of the season. I had to change her sight pretty drastically to use it so I really didn't feel right giving it back to her like that so I bought her a new Sonoran Hunter to replace it. But now, after seeing the new sights I want a new one. The thing I would worry about on the sight you have is to many mechanical parts to go wrong. So does the slide mechanism stay securely locked after beating the heck out of it hunting? Thanks, TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azcouesandelk Report post Posted January 31, 2007 bobbyo I really like the looks of the sight and the thought of using a slide to adjust distance in the field. I searched those models and found this website http://www.fusearchery.com/sights/index.tpl I really like the Intrepid model and will be going to Bear Mountain Archery to look them over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZcoues_addict Report post Posted January 31, 2007 As far as using any bow on the market I know of with only one pin up to 45 yards, I respectfully disagree with anyone trying this unless you fully understand that you will need to adjust your aim high/low for varying distances and practice this way. I've shot the new Mathews, new Bowtechs, new Hoyts, many, many others, and I currently shoot a Hoyt Supertec at 305 fps actual chrono speed and I can't achieve this flat of shooting in ANY bow on the market I've seen today, so I would not recommend this type of shooting to anybody unfamilar with it. As for sites, look at as many different types as you can and hold them up to an actual target or decoy, since everyone has their preference and it varies. Go with what looks the best to you, without too much clutter in the window. If you can't shoot accurately to far distances, then I'd go with a 5 pin that will last you a long time, else I might consider one I could add pins onto later. I'd also check out the new sliding sights since they are great and on the rise, but still go with what you like. I'm currently shoot a dusk devil 2 and love it. Most people I know don't care much for it, but I love it and its great for me. I started with 5 pins, and added more when I became a better shot. I took care of the recognizing the pin problem since there are 2 pin sizes available for this model, normal and micro. I have 3 normal size pins at 30, 40, 50 for more light gathering, and micro pins for further distances. This way if I'm shooting far distance my eye automatically picks up the 60 yard micro pin first, and counts down from there, easy to recognize. There isn't much clutter in my sight window due to the thin pin supports, I love the way it looks, and it works for me. I went with my instinct and have no regrets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobbyo Report post Posted January 31, 2007 Bobyo, That is really cool! My Old Sonoran Hunter fell off my bow and was lost a couple of weeks ago. I used the sight off my buddy's wifes spare bow for the remainder of the season. I had to change her sight pretty drastically to use it so I really didn't feel right giving it back to her like that so I bought her a new Sonoran Hunter to replace it. But now, after seeing the new sights I want a new one. The thing I would worry about on the sight you have is to many mechanical parts to go wrong. So does the slide mechanism stay securely locked after beating the heck out of it hunting? Thanks, TJ TJ, I use to have a sonoran also. I would never say anything bad about them.The Sonaran is a quality sight and to me it is a huge plus that it is made by some local guys. That being said I really love the adjustability of my new sight. As far as your question on my sight there is a wing nut that tightens it down. It has not moved yet from knocking it around on about 4 weekends of hunting. I did forget to move the slider back to zero after shooting it in the river and sadly for my tree above the target in my backyard it took me two shots to realize this. Bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tucson John Report post Posted January 31, 2007 Bobyo, That is really cool! My Old Sonoran Hunter fell off my bow and was lost a couple of weeks ago. I used the sight off my buddy's wifes spare bow for the remainder of the season. I had to change her sight pretty drastically to use it so I really didn't feel right giving it back to her like that so I bought her a new Sonoran Hunter to replace it. But now, after seeing the new sights I want a new one. The thing I would worry about on the sight you have is to many mechanical parts to go wrong. So does the slide mechanism stay securely locked after beating the heck out of it hunting? Thanks, TJ TJ, I use to have a sonoran also. I would never say anything bad about them.The Sonaran is a quality sight and to me it is a huge plus that it is made by some local guys. That being said I really love the adjustability of my new sight. As far as your question on my sight there is a wing nut that tightens it down. It has not moved yet from knocking it around on about 4 weekends of hunting. I did forget to move the slider back to zero after shooting it in the river and sadly for my tree above the target in my backyard it took me two shots to realize this. Bob Thanks Bob! I'll be checking it out. TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
