wildwoody Report post Posted July 14, 2014 for the guy who takes his freinds and pays for everything, i got an early elk tag, I would love you to take me out, and not saying I've ever done it, but what happens in the woods stays in the woods, just sayin, my opinion but the way I interprite it is you can't take a penny. kind of dumb to me 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJMauro12 Report post Posted July 14, 2014 for the guy who takes his freinds and pays for everything, i got an early elk tag, I would love you to take me out, and not saying I've ever done it, but what happens in the woods stays in the woods, just sayin, my opinion but the way I interprite it is you can't take a penny. kind of dumb to me I actually don't really have anyone to hunt with for the early archery elk hunt this year surprisingly. Might help a buddy in 27 for a couple days but I don't think he will need the help. If I know your unit at all I wouldn't mind tagging along and helping where I could. I've become pretty good at cutting and packing lately since most friends don't like getting bloody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted July 14, 2014 wow thats awesome, I was just kidding, but for a guy like you i would love to show you my neck of the woods, i live in star valley and have a 22s early muzzy tag. your more then welcome to come play and i will pay. you are a class act, your friends don't have a clue of what they have in you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJMauro12 Report post Posted July 14, 2014 An early muzzy tag is pretty sweet. I actually would be interested in looking at some unit 22 elk. I've never hunted 22 or 23 before and I'm suppose to help on a jr 22 hunt and a couple early 23 hunts this year for deer. (Results aren't out but that's most likely what they drew) If you need an extra set of eyes in the glass or just a packer when the hunt rolls around let me know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ernesto C Report post Posted July 14, 2014 SO WHAT IF THIS HOT GOOD LOOKING GIRL ASK YOU TO HELP HER ON HER HUNT AND SHE WANTS TO "COMPENSATE" YOU WILL YOU SAY NO? YEAH RIGHT!! Ernesto C 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knothead Report post Posted July 14, 2014 I don't think there is a woman out there that is worth losing 5 years of hunting priviledges for. When I was young and dumb I may have thought so but I know better now. Just say'n 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted July 14, 2014 true, cuz even solid gold poon gets old. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tines Report post Posted July 14, 2014 Most of the time the G and F need a lead on a potential infraction. I think you may have just given them one yourself on a public forum. Don't get me wrong, I think your intentions are good. I really do. And frankly, some WM's that I know would probably see your intentions and not bat an eye at what you're asking. But unfortunately good intentions and a WM's interpretation of laws are relative. Per AZGFD, the definition of a "guide" changed not long ago. This new definition you quoted is actually a little more straight-forward, IMO, than the old one. But that doesn't make it more simple either. Definitions are evolving with the times. Some have suggested calling the dept for a definitive answer. If you do that, get something in writing like Amanda said. The problem with calling the dept sometimes is they don't have an answer, the answer might vary based on who you ask, or possibly seriously contradict with what a dept employee might have told you 5 minutes earlier. "Compensation" is like "road hunting"- if they want to bust you, they probably can. I'm not trying to complicate things but I'm afraid you'll get a different answer, even from those down at the office. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
THOR Report post Posted July 14, 2014 you are not a guide...just tell the hunters you are friends and make sure they say the same thing and no money is said to be exchanged more than likely nothing will be asked....its just like a group of friends hunting. what happens behind closed doors stays there. IMO 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MOWhitail Report post Posted July 14, 2014 Some have suggested calling the dept for a definitive answer. If you do that, get something in writing like Amanda said. The problem with calling the dept sometimes is they don't have an answer, the answer might vary based on who you ask, or possibly seriously contradict with what a dept employee might have told you 5 minutes earlier. "Compensation" is like "road hunting"- if they want to bust you, they probably can. I'm not trying to complicate things but I'm afraid you'll get a different answer, even from those down at the office. I agree that you want to make sure if you call the "office" you get what they say in writing. But I don't know why you would call the office, other than to get the phone number of the specific game warden for the unit you are talking about. All the office is going to do is quote you the regs and give you a literal interpretation of them. I call the warden responsible directly, pretty much every hunt I go on... even f I don't have a question or grey area to ask about. Being proactive solves a lot of problems, in my expierience. For the most part, they are the one you are going to be dealing with anyway... so as long as they say it isn't a "violation", then what ever amount of "interpretation" is involved in making the law a "grey area" has already been addressed. After you get their answer, shoot them an email thanking them for their help. Give them your phone and cell number, and summarize your understanding of what they told you... If it isn't their understanding, they will respond. If not you are covered. At least that is what I always do. On DIY hunts I make sure I touch base with the game warden. I usually tell them where I am planning on camping, and invite them to stop by. I even get their cell numbers in case I have problem (I do a lot of solo back pack hunts). I always ask them if I can give it to my wife, in case she has an emergancy and needs to get ahold of me... Heck, I've made pretty good friends out of wardens in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana that way. The Game Warden in Arizona I have dealt with in the past was super friendly. The very few "guided hunts" I've been on I've called them as well, just to ask what they think about the guide I was thinking about, and if they have had any problems. If they have, I don't want to go anyway. I never worry about asking questions, at least myself. The wardens I know have their hands full chasing people who have something to hide. Think about it in reverse, why wouln't you call them? I mean, you obviously have a question about it, so you at least think it is possible to interpret the law in different ways. So, unless there is something to hide (which I'm sure there isn't), just call and figure it out. If they say it is a problem, you don't want to do it anyway. Otherwise, Tines is right, "compensation" is like "road hunting" or "possession limits", if they want to get you they probably can. Just make sure you call the field personel you are likely to deal with and not just the office ... And document it with a followup email. Then, if you run into them, and you start the conversation by shaking their hand and saying, "hey, my name is ____, I'm the guy that called you and asked ___" then it is pretty much a non - issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted July 14, 2014 just help them, everything we do is wrong, #12 pm me with your number will hook up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted July 15, 2014 A law such as this would fall under case law to be interpreted but I see nothing holding them back from ticketing you. As it is written, my father has broken the laws for years, and I for him. You don't need our opinions we're not G&F 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
