ThomC Report post Posted July 2, 2014 O no do you mean that hunters are gamers as well as non child support payers? No wonder we get no respect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couesmagnet Report post Posted July 2, 2014 The turning your tag back in thing will have to be dealt with very carefully for sure. There will have to be consequences to the person turning their tag back in point wise, or otherwise the g and f just opened up a black market for big point guys turning their tags back in. The person turning their tag bck in needs to fall back in numbers of points by losing their point for the year they turned their tag back in for, and possibly their loyalty point for a couple years. If the g and f doesn't really watch what their doing here, all they will do by trying to interface better with us the customers, will be to cause an unfair system for the majority and average working folk. There are several schemes that could be figured out if there isn't a penalty involved with turning your tag back in. I can think of several if theres lots of cash involved. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AZLance Report post Posted July 2, 2014 What other states have done this? And how many people are turning their tags in each year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Allen and Hector, good seeing you guys again and meeting the others. New website good... anything with tag and priority in the same phrase bad... Tag surrender with regulation ok... anything with early results and priority in thr same phrase bad... G&F as biologists good... G&F as marketing and PR wizards bad... lol But that's what these meetings are for and Scott obviously took notes from the first meeting and was better prepared and ready to change the tone of some issues. And he was scribling notes of other issues not presented yet and will work to be better prepared for the next meeting. I think that's what we want, a process like this the is amendable as it progresses. I agree with Allen that the hot button issues will be taken off the table and new ideas are being heard and added. Lance, one of the other guys presented the numbers from I want to say 10 western states on tag surrender, hopefully he puts them up here. It was quite a few states and few tags, he put a lot of effort getting the info and I can't do it justice off my faulty memory. I personally see AZ as ripe for abuse if not regulated strictly and expressed that last night and in emails to the team running the process. Kent 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Sorry guys I had a typo in my previous post. Giving club members priority for surrendered tags was universally agreed to as a BAD idea. I would be very surprised if AZGFD moves forward with that option. I think the numbers of tags surrendered in other states is around .25% it's so minimal I don't know why anyone cares if it's an option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
520HUNT Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Heck, if I can get a dear tag every year for a unit with 100% draw like 35b and then surrender it and claim it as a tax deduction and keep my points, I am all for this! I can finally deduct the application fee while building bonus points! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chef Report post Posted July 2, 2014 The scenario above has been considered and it is my understanding that yes, you could surrender your tag but not be reimbursed the fee, plus you would only be reinstated with the points you had going into the draw, not gain a point. Other states allow you to do this but have rules in place to deter fraudulent activities. Such as having the ability to surrender your tag for multiple years, but come the third year, you lose all of your bonus points in doing so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted July 2, 2014 You don't receive a BP for drawing in the first place, you stay at your BP level. Kent 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Kent it was great to see you again. Between you and Dave, you have alot of great ideas to help insure there will not be manipulation of the system. Thanks for showing up. Allen Taylor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couesmagnet Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Here's the big diff between az and all the other states that allow you to turn your tag back in. Az averages bonus points on an app and the others don't. This is why the angle I'm worried about comes into play with az's system and surrendering your tag and the prevalence being higher here if it's allowed. I'm all for averaging points the way it is now, but with the surrender option and averaging together there needs to be a penalty for the person who surrenders their tag. In the other states it doesn't matter cause they don't average points on the app. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Here's the big diff between az and all the other states that allow you to turn your tag back in. Az averages bonus points on an app and the others don't. This is why the angle I'm worried about comes into play with az's system and surrendering your tag and the prevalence being higher here if it's allowed. I'm all for averaging points the way it is now, but with the surrender option and averaging together there needs to be a penalty for the person who surrenders their tag. In the other states it doesn't matter cause they don't average points on the app. Yes, it was addressed at length last night and though Scott isn't in the regulation dept, he took notes to forward. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
couesmagnet Report post Posted July 2, 2014 Thanks krp, I hope they don't get rid of the averaging points on the app for the surrender your tag option. Averaging points allows friends who have diff respective point totals to put in together and still hunt together without crushing the friend on the app with the most points. The averaging option has allowed friends to continue To hunt together and if they get rid of the averaging on the apps this will make it a lot harder for people to continue to hunt together. It will go to every man for himself and less friends slash family hunting together. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted July 2, 2014 how about, if it aint broke don't fix it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krp Report post Posted July 2, 2014 how about, if it aint broke don't fix it. I have no problem with that personally, but the vibe I'm getting is most would like a surrender program, so I'm working within that agenda. Kent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chef Report post Posted July 3, 2014 how about, if it aint broke don't fix it.The system (program) is antiquated and does need updating to current technology. Today, the system as it is designed, cannot be added to. With new technology, the portal will be updatable as advances in programs become available. It should also have the ability to work on any and all platforms. (All smartphones regardless of operating system, apple products, PC, etc.) The department is behind the times if you ask me. This is a refreshing idea that I believe will ultimately cater well to everyone's needs. *You may be addressing another point. Not quite sure, but I posted some relevant information related to the topic* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
