Edge Report post Posted March 31, 2014 The OP said he wanted to "help glass". That's aiding in the taking of wildlife. If you want to help pack and profit from that on any federal land, you need insurance, special use permit and licensed in that state if one is needed. Simply put, the feds fear being sued. If you're insured, the insurance co. handles litigation and knowing your financially responsible puts Uncle Sam at ease. As far as I interpret the AZ statutes, AZ does not differentiate between guiding and outfitting. I've been looking at every angle of the law for sometime, as I do outfitting. I don't want to be in the position of defending AZ law, they wrote it not me. But I do understand the rational behind it even if I don't like it. If you've found a legal and responsible way of circumventing the law as I've read it time and time again, you'll have my gratitude. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted March 31, 2014 I would agree if he helped find it by glassing and got payed he would need the license. But if it's dead already and someone tells him to come drag it out of a canyon there is nothing wrong with that. No license needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted March 31, 2014 I at least hope I'm right because I have done it a time or two for some cash haha From Title 43 Special Permits Dept of Interior 2932.14 ( ... providing services to hunters, trappers, or anglers must obtain Special Recreation Permits from BLM. Appendix E: Special Recreation Permit Stipulations for Outfitters and Guides A current insurance policy must be maintained that provides for the minimum levels of liability insurance ($500,000 bodily injury for any one person, $1,000,000 annual aggregate, and $30,000 property damage for any one occurrence) are in effect. Your policy must name the United States Government, as additionally insured and stipulate that you or your insurer will notify BLM at least 30 calendar days in advance of termination or modification of such insurance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camofreak Report post Posted March 31, 2014 Who the heck cares...id gladly help anyone glass, or pack out. Idc if i have a license or not, im sure most people are the same way. Too much politics in all of this. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted March 31, 2014 The OP cares he asked for info. If you want to help others for free, knock yourself out that's what friends are for. You want to earn a paycheck doing it, jump thru all the hoops the licensed guides and outfitters had to navigate. Once you learn how difficult it is to be a licensed guide or outfitter, you'll have a new appreciation for them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2horns Report post Posted March 31, 2014 Dont forget to buy obama care too. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camofreak Report post Posted March 31, 2014 The OP cares he asked for info. If you want to help others for free, knock yourself out that's what friends are for. You want to earn a paycheck doing it, jump thru all the hoops the licensed guides and outfitters had to navigate. Once you learn how difficult it is to be a licensed guide or outfitter, you'll have a new appreciation for them. I dont recall him asking for "info", but rather asking if anyone wants him to pack out or glass for them. If he wants to make money doing it, fine...i dont think he should be licensed and all, just to be out there helping others do the things they love. Especially because it doesnt sound like he wants to make a profession out of it. Ive had people throw me money for helping and cover my gas and what not. No issues there. Not trying to start an argument in any way, but no need to bring politics and the laws into this. Do what you want under the table, im sure hes gonna get a few pm's asking for help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted March 31, 2014 The OP cares he asked for info. If you want to help others for free, knock yourself out that's what friends are for. You want to earn a paycheck doing it, jump thru all the hoops the licensed guides and outfitters had to navigate. Once you learn how difficult it is to be a licensed guide or outfitter, you'll have a new appreciation for them. I dont recall him asking for "info", but rather asking if anyone wants him to pack out or glass for them. "Wondering if anybody knew about getting a job for hunts to be a packer....." Just so happens I know something about it, here's the law. Take it or leave it, this is your government at work. How or where did I mention politics? If you want to guide or pack under the table, that's your business. But I'm old enough to know how quickly things roll downhill with one mishap you weren't covered for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted March 31, 2014 Dont forget to buy obama care too.Thanks for the laugh. I'm as disgusted and frustrated as anyone with the gov. They want to stick their nose into every aspect of your life. 2 years ago I started looking into outfitting part time and be compensated for the outfitting I was doing for free. The research was worse than eating broken glass. But there it is, your welcomed, don't forget to shoot the messenger. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2horns Report post Posted March 31, 2014 Edge you are right GOV is way too in our business. Nothing like trying to make a living and get ahead and only to get a visit from uncle sam saying you did something wrong. I think we work like what 6 or 7 months to pay for taxes and the rest is ours to keep? crazy.. To the OP - don't be afraid to do a little leg work ie., reading on what you can do etc... small business start out like you, from nothing and scratching your way to the top. I'm no lawyer but see if you can charge $100.00 for a hair cut and the packing out game meat is free of charge. oh is Monday...almost time go do go some burpees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwarovskiCoues Report post Posted March 31, 2014 okay this totally went the other way. if you need help just PM me. i just want to go out more and help thats all, im not making it a real "job" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkaddict Report post Posted March 31, 2014 okay this totally went the other way. if you need help just PM me. i just want to go out more and help thats all, im not making it a real "job" Sounds good, like I said before, give us a reminder just before the hunts. And it would help to know what units you would like to help in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted March 31, 2014 not true, i looked into this and even spoke with jay scott and if you are paid for service and assist in any way you have to be liscensed and pay ins and pay forest fees. minimum 1500.00 per year and thats if you stay in one forest. i have mules and was going to offer packing but didnt sound good after looking into it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edge Report post Posted April 1, 2014 okay this totally went the other way. if you need help just PM me. i just want to go out more and help thats all, im not making it a real "job"Sorry Swarovskicoues, thought you were looking for facts and not a rubberstamp, next time I'll lie to you if it helps. But here's some free advice and you can thank me later. Apply for this position you want with a licensed guide and gain some experience in the field, get paid and heck, you might even learn how real guides operate. Just trying to help keep your butt out of a world of hurt, must be my fatherly instincts kicking in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6ANut Report post Posted April 1, 2014 Hence why I work off coors light and red meat. No real politics in that unless you drink bud light and are a vegetarian. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
