salt or corn?

[520HUNT]

There was several game wardens publicly complaining that a few outfitters were having too much success (100% success). They were telling hunters that they were pushing rule changes to fix it. I believe that one of those outfitters is a member on here.

 

 

 

And Outdoor Writer, if they are so concerned, why did they post on this site that baiting feral hogs is still legal? It just seems that there is a lot of confusion amongst the department on this law as well as amongst hunters.

[johnnie blaze]

There was several game wardens publicly complaining that a few outfitters were having too much success (100% success). They were telling hunters that they were pushing rule changes to fix it. I believe that one of those outfitters is a member on here.

And Outdoor Writer, if they are so concerned, why did they post on this site that baiting feral hogs is still legal? It just seems that there is a lot of confusion amongst the department on this law as well as amongst hunters.

par for azgfd

[Elkhunter1]

 

As it stands with G&F placing "bait" isn't illegal until you hunt over it, weather you placed it there or just found it. Hunting over bait is and will always be illegal.

Might want to check to be sure, but my interpretation is that putting out corn is illegal regardless of when it is done. There is nothing in the law that translates to "during a hunting season." Also, take note of the OR in "for the purpose of attracting or taking big game" under 4A. R12-4-303. Unlawful Devices, Methods, and Ammunition4. An individual shall not use edible or ingestible substances to aid in taking big game. The use of edible or ingestible substances to aid in taking big game is unlawful when:a. An individual places edible or ingestible substances for the purpose of attracting or taking big game, orb. An individual knowingly takes big game with the aid of edible or ingestible substances placed for the purpose of attracting wildlife to a specific location.5. Subsection (A)(4) does not limit Department employees or Department agents in the performance of their official duties.6. For the purposes of subsection (A)(4), edible or ingestible substances do not include any of the following:a. Water.b. Salt.c. Salt-based materials produced and manufactured for the livestock industry.d. Nutritional supplements produced and manufactured for the livestock industry and placed during the course of livestock or agricultural operations.

 

Tony my statement is based on several conversations with G&F officers and supervisors, if they r wrong then I am also wrong.

 

That intrepretation makes no sense. One of the reasons corn and other food stuffs were banned was the spread of CWD, etc. If such items would promote the spread of diseases while hunting over them, they would also do the same when those items are used for feral hogs and/or trail camera use because per the law, they would be attracting wildlife.

Tony I don't want to argue law with you but there is another phrase in that rule, "for the purpose of attracting or taking big game," Now when G&F lists Ferrel hogs as big game and starts regulating the taking of them then "baiting" them will become illegal.

[wildwoody]

no corn anytime, no problems, there were a couple gameies that also didn't like the number and size of the deer be taken. even no must of these deer would never even been seen by humans if it wasn't for baiting. my thoughts

[CouesBuckhunter]

/>Here is what AZGFD had to say about placing bait out for feral hogs on CWT.com forums back on Jan 15th, 2013

 

"OK, hogs are not wildlife. So you can use bait for hogs. But if you placed bait for hogs, then you cannot hunt deer over that bait. In fact, if you know someone else placed the bait for hogs, you cannot hunt deer over it.

 

Big game is defined in statute (A.R.S. 17-101((3)). They include wild turkey, deer, elk, pronghorn, bighorn sheep, bison, peccary, bear and mountain lion.

 

Brian Wakeling

Game Branch Chief"

 

So what I take from this is if you put out "bait" for feral hogs it is legal. You can not kill a deer over this bait, because it was put out for feral hogs. But if you had a trail cam on the bait pile and there were deer on it that would be OK, as long as you don't hunt a big game species over that bait. Now the real grey area is how close to the "bait" area can you hunt without being guilty of hunting over bait? Do you need to be 100yds away? 1/4 mile away? Out of sight?

good question lance!

[JLW]

before baiting was made illegal I tried a lot of things from salt to corn, cracked corn, oats, flavored salt licks with buck jam, and many other products. the best thing I had ever used was a 25lb block a friend gave me, it was a mixture of grains and corn with a strong smell of molasses. can't remember who made it.... stealth cam or 1 of those. this thing brought ALL the critters. from squirrels to bears, tons of turkey and big bucks.when you were down wind you could smell the molasses really strong, almost noxious.

here are some pics. still didn't mean a for sure kill. takes more time than a weekender can commit, but I enjoyed the pics and had high hopes.

if it was about disease they would have made baiting illegal period, regardless of big game, small game non game.

 

James

 

[8OWHUNT247]

Nice pics JLW...

[capoeirajosh]

Nice pics!!

[ready2hunt]

Nice pics. That bear must have just been ween'd...the turkeys look as big as him.

[naturegirl]

I own a good amount of cameras and have used them extensively years back. I don't like using them very much anymore because they are time consuming. I'd rather be out seeing alive stuff in the woods than running and checking cameras all the time. I love the pictures no doubt, but it comes down to how much time I want to put into cameras and I also know every time I place one out that it very well may get stolen. Off the beaten path water is the best place for a camera. Good trails work well too.

 

I think it is verging on unethical if you have to skirt the corn law to get what you want out of it (i.e. corn for all these feral hogs we have here in Arizona). Just my 2 cents.

 

I also apologize if it was your corn feeder I took up in 6a last year. I didn't hesitate to take it down since it looked abandoned, empty, and there were no cameras up, down, right, or left of the feeder. It just looked like litter in the forest to me, which I clean up when I can

[D.F.M.]

Where can you find feral hogs if you don't mind me askin?

[AZLance]

Wow! Another proud thief!

 

Never thought I would have to worry about CWT.com members stealing my stands, cameras and feeders... boy how the world has changed.

[tjhunt2]

I own a good amount of cameras and have used them extensively years back. I don't like using them very much anymore because they are time consuming. I'd rather be out seeing alive stuff in the woods than running and checking cameras all the time. I love the pictures no doubt, but it comes down to how much time I want to put into cameras and I also know every time I place one out that it very well may get stolen. Off the beaten path water is the best place for a camera. Good trails work well too.

 

I think it is verging on unethical if you have to skirt the corn law to get what you want out of it (i.e. corn for all these feral hogs we have here in Arizona). Just my 2 cents.

 

I also apologize if it was your corn feeder I took up in 6a last year. I didn't hesitate to take it down since it looked abandoned, empty, and there were no cameras up, down, right, or left of the feeder. It just looked like litter in the forest to me, which I clean up when I can

 

Would you consider this abandoned?

 

TJ

[naturegirl]

Wow! Another proud thief!

 

Never thought I would have to worry about CWT.com members stealing my stands, cameras and feeders... boy how the world has changed.

I don't hide what I do and it's not pride that makes me post about it. I have values and my values are centered around what is best for the animals and the land. If I find garbage, I will pick it up.

 

I take great offense at being called a thief. Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about thieves. let's remember we are talking about less than $5 in PVC pipe that was clearly abandoned and not being used any longer.

 

You said CWT members were stealing your tree stands and cameras too. I must have missed that post. Who stole your stuff?

[naturegirl]

I own a good amount of cameras and have used them extensively years back. I don't like using them very much anymore because they are time consuming. I'd rather be out seeing alive stuff in the woods than running and checking cameras all the time. I love the pictures no doubt, but it comes down to how much time I want to put into cameras and I also know every time I place one out that it very well may get stolen. Off the beaten path water is the best place for a camera. Good trails work well too.

 

I think it is verging on unethical if you have to skirt the corn law to get what you want out of it (i.e. corn for all these feral hogs we have here in Arizona). Just my 2 cents.

 

I also apologize if it was your corn feeder I took up in 6a last year. I didn't hesitate to take it down since it looked abandoned, empty, and there were no cameras up, down, right, or left of the feeder. It just looked like litter in the forest to me, which I clean up when I can

 

IMAG0146.JPG

Would you consider this abandoned?

 

TJ

 

Definitely not...LOL. We always put our name & # on our game cameras. Maybe people with corn feeders should do the same