Drummond Lindsey Report post Posted February 25, 2014 If they are anything like the 10x42 HD's that I carry this will be an excellent binocular. Has anybody seen them yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunthard Report post Posted February 25, 2014 I haven't but for the price they can't be beat. I personally think they're better than any vortex. And the new cabelas warranty is the best in the business. If there is something wrong with them they'll give you a new pair no questions asked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted February 25, 2014 />I haven't but for the price they can't be beat. I personally think they're better than any vortex. And the new cabelas warranty is the best in the business. If there is something wrong with them they'll give you a new pair no questions asked. Not true. . Cabelas warranty changed to lifetime warranty on manufacturers defects only after 1 year. If you break them after that you're screwed. Vortex is the only one with the unconditional warranty for life. And the vortex razor 12X 50 ' s are about as good as it gets without spending $2000. They are both very close but with the vortex warranty it was a no brainer for me to go for the vortex. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunthard Report post Posted February 25, 2014 I just talked with a rep on Saturday about it. It's only on the euro hds. These are $1600 and have fluorite glass. Your razors have and ed glass not in the same class as fluorite. The razors are a good deal but I'd rather pay for these, 100 to 200 dollars less or more for European glass rather China or Japan depending on the model. And comparing a 12x to 15x Bino is like comparing apples to oranges. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drummond Lindsey Report post Posted February 25, 2014 I am a fan of Vortex but I prefer the Meopta line of optics. I may go down on Thursday and see if they have them at the store in Thornton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted February 26, 2014 />I just talked with a rep on Saturday about it. It's only on the euro hds. These are $1600 and have fluorite glass. Your razors have and ed glass not in the same class as fluorite. The razors are a good deal but I'd rather pay for these, 100 to 200 dollars less or more for European glass rather China or Japan depending on the model. And comparing a 12x to 15x Bino is like comparing apples to oranges. You lost me there hunthard . . What? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schmitty Report post Posted February 26, 2014 Or you can buy a used pair of Swaro's for less 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drummond Lindsey Report post Posted February 27, 2014 I have a pair of Swaros Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunthard Report post Posted February 27, 2014 /> /> I just talked with a rep on Saturday about it. It's only on the euro hds. These are $1600 and have fluorite glass. Your razors have and ed glass not in the same class as fluorite. The razors are a good deal but I'd rather pay for these, 100 to 200 dollars less or more for European glass rather China or Japan depending on the model. And comparing a 12x to 15x Bino is like comparing apples to oranges. You lost me there hunthard . . What?What I meant was last Saturday I spoke with a rep at cabelas about they're warranty. He told me if there's anything ever wrong with the euro hd's you could bring them back and they'd replace them no questions asked. I understood it as if you broke them as well... I didn't ask specifically though if it was your fault so you might right about the warranty. On to the glass that's in these binos, vortex razor's and the meopta/euro hd's. The razor's have a basic ed glass in them, which is still a good glass. The meopta use a fluorite glass(swarovski, leica and other high end european companiesuse this glass). Swarovski and leica etc use a little bit better fluorite glass though. The fluorite glass is a better quality glass than your basic Chinese or Japanese made ed glass. Also the coatings on the meopta are better, meaning they're brighter, sharper, clearer, and will last a life time. The coatings vortex use are good and like you said are a good bang for your buck, but they break down over time. And aren't as clear, bright, etc. I have a pair of vortex vipers that have done this when I bought a pair in 08 and just had them sent in to get all 4 lenses replaced. Hopefully this post makes a little more sense. I think the meopta line is a better bang for your buck because yeah you pay a couple hundred more or so and on some models it's the same price even but your getting a higher quality of glass. And comparing the 12x50 razor's to a 15x56 is kind of comparing apples to oranges, you can get 800-1200 more yds easy with the 15s not to mention the detail and finding deer better in the shadows with the closer stuff. I am a fan of vortex I think they fill the gap between Bushnell and swarovski nicely. They are however cutting some corners that I myself aren't a big fan of. They have horrible eye relief on their rifle scopes, you can Google it. I've had a couple buddies get scoped pretty good with them haha. And they are now ruining the hd term by adding it to almost every model they produce. And last with their 15x50 and now 20x56 models. Both of those just offer horrible light gathering capabilities. And +1 on the used swarovski thing. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunthard Report post Posted February 27, 2014 So all in all, Meopta fills that gap I mentioned above between swarovski and vortex. You don't have to pay as much for the swaros but are getting a better optic in every way for a couple hundreds dollars more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhunter4life Report post Posted February 28, 2014 I have the 10x42 and 12x50, they are superb glass. Man, looks like I have a new bino to get. Thanks for posting, as I did not know they had them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
