twowindy Report post Posted February 24, 2014 The fur prices at the sale in Farmington didn't seam to be any better than the sale in globe.I was on another site that said some people that pulled their fur at the globe auction pulled their fur at Farmington as well.Its got to eat into your profits to travel all over the country trying to make a few more dollars on your fur. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhuntaz1 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 People don't realize its a market. It's not what you think it's worth; but what people are willing to pay. At the Globe sale I had one cat and got slightly above average for that cat. Same with the foxes. I came out a little ahead, according to my spread sheet. I am happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twowindy Report post Posted February 24, 2014 I was happy with what I got at the globe sale. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Nafa prices were similar to globe but with a $490 average if I remember correctly. I was waiting to see those prices compared to other sales and sadly they are just about as low. So whatever I get offered up in Kingman I'm gonna take it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted February 24, 2014 The fur prices at the sale in Farmington didn't seam to be any better than the sale in globe.I was on another site that said some people that pulled their fur at the globe auction pulled their fur at Farmington as well.Its got to eat into your profits to travel all over the country trying to make a few more dollars on your fur. Two, Spot on! You could also add to this NEWBIES that are a quick in and quick out, that thought they were hitting the lottery. Whether you are laying steel, live traps, or using a FoxPro or mouth calls to put fur on the stretcher. When you lose track of the fact that it's more about having a great hobby. That affords ya the opportunity to spend many quality hours in the outdoors putting your skills against that of wild animals. There are highs and lows. But when ya lose track of the real reason, you have missed the boat. Or never had the real opportunity to take the ride. Take care, Willie 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperwrx Report post Posted February 24, 2014 People need to remember with the Kingman Sale the new policy we are starting this year and will be sticking to 100%. Bobcats under 32" will not be permitted to be registered into a lot and on put on a table. Sell them to a buyer in the parking lot. Sow bellied females or flat back early season bobcats will also not be in this sale. Regardless how you groan, threaten, stamp your feet, or even weep, if your bobcat doesn't meet the new requirements you need to conduct a sale outside and your fur will not be registered. We do this to #1 provide a location in AZ where the TOP bobcats are consistently sold and #2 we only have 1 building to house pre-sale, sale, and post-sale fur are are strapped for floor space. This is a non-profit fur sale so we really don't lose nor make any money nor care if people sell thier fur outside, before or after the sale. We are just providing the location where the trapper/predator caller and the buyer can make a deal. If you are not happy with the specifics of the sale, NAFA is your last chance. Remember- 1. There will be no one from Arizona Game and Fish selling CITES tags. No tag on your bobcat means you can't sell it at the sale or in the parking lot by law. Kingman G&F office closes at 5 on Friday I believe. 2. Pelts can be registered Friday. Quicker in means quicker out. You get your check at the end by your lot number. If you are lot #5 then you are the 5th person to get your check and walk out the door and drive home. 3. Fur registration closes at 10 SHARP. 10:01 comes around and you will need to strike a deal in the parking lot. No biggy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Just curious and honest question hyper, who is going to sit and make sure cats are at least 32" and that their fur meets the requirements of sow bellied or flat? Is someone gonna grade them as they come in? Just seems kinda difficult to make sure they meet those requirements. Some are borderline so where is the cut off? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatrickJr Report post Posted February 24, 2014 in the first corner we have hyper, in the opposing corner we have bc777 ding...ding....ding lets get ready to ruuuuuuummmmmmble!!! have at it guys! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twowindy Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Why is the kingman doing this.Is it so they can claim the highest average paid?It should be up to the buyers weather they want to bid on it or not.Just my opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Why is the kingman doing this.Is it so they can claim the highest average paid? Two, That could be. NAFA does similar stuff. They buy a couple of lots and get the high bidder. Than the rest of their stuff is bought at the normal average or possibly even lower. But there are plenty of mouth pieces that will spread the news that they bought the high fur. Pretty good free advertising, and then the rest of the story! Probably the same in Kingman. Advertising gimmick,and than the rest of the story. Take care, Wilie 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperwrx Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Why is the kingman doing this.Is it so they can claim the highest average paid?It should be up to the buyers weather they want to bid on it or not.Just my opinion. Claiming the highest paid average is nice but if that is a sale's only gimic, they're hurting. The BPF sale has multiple positives. 1% sales commission and $20 enterance fee being the most significant. I gave the ATA several hundred dollars of my profits. I am not complaining about that. With my money they will step up and fight the real fight when the Anti's come knocking (as they have before). They also help neighboring states when their trapping rights are in jeapordy. Problem is I need a place to sell my fur after the ATA sale- choices NAFA or BPF sale. I don't want to wait for 3 months for a NAFA check if I can help it. You need to rememebr that a national fur buyer, Dennis, is part of the Brairpatch Fur Sale team. He tells us that bobcat fur buyers do not want to travel across the country to bid on short hairred crappy cats. Hense we saw buyers not even wanting to be the starting bidder on a lot of sub-200 pelts and all the buyers wanting to get in on the bidding of the 18 bobcat pelt lot (mine). Time vs effort spent. A buyer wants to spend his time going to a bobcat sale where he stands to make the most money. The best cats, the most desirable cats, all lined up on tables for bidding. More than 1 buyer tells us he wants to see better fur on the table. We are just going to facilitate this. Remember- since we don't want your money, we can limit what comes in the door. There will be 2 knowledgable people 'helping' fur sellers lot their fur correctly (we will not be having 5 1 cat lots under 1 ticket) and 'helping' sellers understand their fur does not meet the requirements for this year's sale. No biggy, sell it in the parking lot. I personally will help anyone facilitate a sale outside the building. I will introduce you to a fur buyer and get the ball rolling for you to make a deal 'behind the scene'. Just ask me. You are correct- it's a judgement call by someone. Is your fur in or out? I can promise you that we will be as fair and consistent as possible. We want this to be a good experience for both buyers and sellers. Before you get up to the fur registering area- have your fur grouped how you would like them lotted (best way is to use a shower curtain metal hook clasp thingy or tie some rope around the eye holes of each lot). We will come up and ask to see your bobcat lots and ask you to relot it (we will even help if you grade it and relot it if want it) or give you the thumbs up and move on down the line. We are doing this so the sale runs quickly and efficiently. Recently speaking with a fur buyer he mentioned he would rather see a QUALITY 37" bobcat handled well, then a 42" average bobcat handled hap-hazardly. Just because you have a big cat doesn't mean it's worth big bucks. That's tough to get through people's head. Also remember, we can't compete with other sales in quantity. We don't have the space! If we took all grades and species of pelts this sale, we would be dealing with piles of fur 10' high in the small building we have rented. Keep the questions or concerns coming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted February 24, 2014 Have you guys asked any of the buyers besides dennis what kind of cats they want? Flat cats are still used for certain trimming and other things in clothing. Ocassionally buyers are filling orders for people that want flat cats. Obviously they want the big heavy cats but some are still looking for the lower grade cats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted February 24, 2014 QUOTE HYPER : I gave the ATA several hundred dollars of my profits. I am not complaining about that. With my money they will step up and fight the real fight when the Anti's come knocking (as they have before). They also help neighboring states when their trapping rights are in jeapordy.HYPER,Kudos and good for you!!!!! It shows you care, a rare commodity today. Take care, Willie Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperwrx Report post Posted February 25, 2014 Have you guys asked any of the buyers besides dennis what kind of cats they want? Flat cats are still used for certain trimming and other things in clothing. Ocassionally buyers are filling orders for people that want flat cats. Obviously they want the big heavy cats but some are still looking for the lower grade cats. Update. Communicated with 2 more buyers today (aside from Dennis). One was at NAFA making purchases. Both said medium sized cats 28" to 32" with wide good colored bellies are in demand so we are going to make a change to the initial policy. The size limit is now down to 28" bobcats. Smaller than 28" is considered a kitten by fur sale standards FYI. Both buyers said to not accept flat cats to the Briarpatch Fur Sale in Kingman. Also milk stained female cats are a waste of time to bid on so keep those out as well. We agree. They also concurred that sellers need to consolidate their same size/grade bobcats into 1 larger lot rather than think they're going to get a better price putting them in their own lots 1 at a time. It is a waste of buyer's time and effort to think they are going to sit through 700 auctions of 1 cat lots and sellers get an honest price. Now... better for the sellers of smaller bobcats and better for the buyers who right now noticed a demand for them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
twowindy Report post Posted February 25, 2014 glad to see you talked to the other buyers .keep up the good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
