Beware of Sonoran Outfitters!

[cramerhunts]

I posted this in the Bighorn Sheep section as well but thought I would post it here too.

 

On October 18, 2010 my uncle signed a contract with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters to hunt Desert Bighorn Sheep in Sonora, Mexico.

On November 18th he arrived in Kino Bay, Sonora for his hunt.

The next day he began hunting and on November 24, 2010 he shot a nice 165” ram with dark horns that were broomed off. The ram was aged at 10 to 10 ½ years old.

(Pictures of my uncle and his Ram are on Todd’s website)

November 25, 2010 my uncle returned home with Todd promising to deliver his Ram within 2 or 3 weeks, which he never did.

After 10 months of Todd Rice refusing to even communicate with my uncle he decided to file suit in Coconino Superior Court. He had his first Court Arbitration Hearing in Flagstaff on September 12, 2012 with Court Appointed Judge John Trebon.

On October 12th Todd offered to settle with him by providing the horns and cape into his possession. Several more months went by with Todd stalling and refusing to deliver my uncle’s trophy. As it would turn out, Todd Rice defaulted on the settlement because he never purchased a tag for the Ram prior to or after the hunt.

Fast forward to April 9, 2013, in front of Judge John Trebon, Todd offered a new settlement. This offer was another Desert Sheep Hunt in Sonora. My uncle was to arrive on February 2, 2014 and start hunting the next day. If Todd failed to follow through a judgment would be awarded to my uncle for the cost of the original hunt plus attorney's fees and expenses.

On December 3, 2013 my uncle had not heard anything from Sonoran Outfitters about his upcoming Sheep Hunt so he sent Todd an e-mail. He explained that he needed to know the details of the hunt so he could purchase a plane ticket and make plans for the upcoming hunt. Todd responded right away saying he would get back to him in a couple of days with all of the details.

As of January 10, 2014 my uncle had not heard from him so he sent him another e-mail requesting the details of the hunt. He never got a response. He then began trying to reach him by phone but Todd never answered or returned any calls. So February 3rd came and passed without a single word from Sonoran Outfitters.

On the 4^th of February my uncle’s attorney filed a Motion of Default against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters in Coconino Superior Court requesting that a Judgment against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters be completed.

Hopefully my uncle will be able to recover all of the money he has paid out to Todd along with all of the other fees and expenses, so that someday he can go on another Desert Sheep Hunt with a reputable outfitter and get his trophy he has dreamed about.

I’m spreading my uncle’s story as we don't want other hunters to fall victim to Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters.

[AZLance]

Wow... that's insane. and I am sure we're not talking just a few hundred dollars here

[trphyhntr]

that is ------- up. hope he gets his money back. im sure he probably would rather just have the original set of horns though.

[Ernesto C]

Wow! Selling tags and he don't even had them. Also, I herd of one of his hunters showed up at the airport with his guns and Todd didn't even had a gun permit for him! What a looser!

 

Ernesto C

[TAM]

Phil, didn't you get into a rather heated conversation with Todd right here in one of the forums a year or two ago? If I recall he posted some pics and you asked about your uncles sheep and he got all kind of bent out of shape over it. Same deal right?

[Snapshot]

Sorry to hear that Phil. It is a shame that shady outfitters ruin a hunt like that. Hopefully your Uncle can recoup his money. More often than not, guys like Todd Rice end up filing Bankruptcy. Even with a court awarded Judgment, it can be tough to collect. Hopefully your Uncle's attorney will go after Rice's assets quickly, before they disappear.

[Coues Kid]

Sorry to hear that hope your uncle gets his money back sad to say but there is more than 1 shady outfitter out there.

[Matt Meyer]

Sorry to hear that. I wish him the best of luck in getting his money back

[Chef]

 

Thanks for the heads up Phil.

 

I was shocked to hear that your uncle got ROYALLY screwed again by this guy. He's definitely a piece of work.

I know these Mexico sheep hunts don't come cheap! I'm hearing more and more of people being scammed by Todd Rice and I can't believe he's still in business. He definitely has a reputation of being shady.

 

The scary part about your uncles situation is that Todd Rice never had a tag for your uncle in the first place! Someone could have ended up in jail down there and Todd didn't care. Unbelievable.

 

I'll pass the word. Hopefully no one here has to deal with something like this.

[Seldom Drawn]

I posted this in the Bighorn Sheep section as well but thought I would post it here too.

 

On October 18, 2010 my uncle signed a contract with Todd Rice of Sonoran Outfitters to hunt Desert Bighorn Sheep in Sonora, Mexico.

On November 18th he arrived in Kino Bay, Sonora for his hunt.

The next day he began hunting and on November 24, 2010 he shot a nice 165” ram with dark horns that were broomed off. The ram was aged at 10 to 10 ½ years old.

(Pictures of my uncle and his Ram are on Todd’s website)

November 25, 2010 my uncle returned home with Todd promising to deliver his Ram within 2 or 3 weeks, which he never did.

After 10 months of Todd Rice refusing to even communicate with my uncle he decided to file suit in Coconino Superior Court. He had his first Court Arbitration Hearing in Flagstaff on September 12, 2012 with Court Appointed Judge John Trebon.

On October 12th Todd offered to settle with him by providing the horns and cape into his possession. Several more months went by with Todd stalling and refusing to deliver my uncle’s trophy. As it would turn out, Todd Rice defaulted on the settlement because he never purchased a tag for the Ram prior to or after the hunt.

Fast forward to April 9, 2013, in front of Judge John Trebon, Todd offered a new settlement. This offer was another Desert Sheep Hunt in Sonora. My uncle was to arrive on February 2, 2014 and start hunting the next day. If Todd failed to follow through a judgment would be awarded to my uncle for the cost of the original hunt plus attorney's fees and expenses.

On December 3, 2013 my uncle had not heard anything from Sonoran Outfitters about his upcoming Sheep Hunt so he sent Todd an e-mail. He explained that he needed to know the details of the hunt so he could purchase a plane ticket and make plans for the upcoming hunt. Todd responded right away saying he would get back to him in a couple of days with all of the details.

As of January 10, 2014 my uncle had not heard from him so he sent him another e-mail requesting the details of the hunt. He never got a response. He then began trying to reach him by phone but Todd never answered or returned any calls. So February 3rd came and passed without a single word from Sonoran Outfitters.

On the 4^th of February my uncle’s attorney filed a Motion of Default against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters in Coconino Superior Court requesting that a Judgment against Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters be completed.

Hopefully my uncle will be able to recover all of the money he has paid out to Todd along with all of the other fees and expenses, so that someday he can go on another Desert Sheep Hunt with a reputable outfitter and get his trophy he has dreamed about.

I’m spreading my uncle’s story as we don't want other hunters to fall victim to Todd Rice and Sonoran Outfitters.

 

Have you guys ever thought about taking care of this the old fashion way with a good a@s kicking,not that i would ever do this,your in Mexico it really sucks for your uncle,but why would you waste your time in court don't you know where he lives?

[singleshot]

Have you guys ever thought about taking care of this the old fashion way with a good a@s kicking,not that i would ever do this,your in Mexico it really sucks for your uncle,but why would you waste your time in court don't you know where he lives?

Sounds Just like ROY D MERCER..."how big an old boy are ya anyway"

[cramerhunts]

Lol! It does sound just like that....thanks for a good laugh. Unfortunately taking care of this the old fashion way wouldn't be very productive to getting any financial returns.

[DesertBull]

Seems this guy should be arrested by now, by both the US and Mexican authorities. Then he can pay restitution by having all his possessions auctioned off and the $1.83 per hour he would make peeling potatoes in the BIG HOUSE kitchen.

[Drummond Lindsey]

Have you guys ever thought about taking care of this the old fashion way with a good a@s kicking,not that i would ever do this,your in Mexico it really sucks for your uncle,but why would you waste your time in court don't you know where he lives?

Sounds Just like ROY D MERCER..."how big an old boy are ya anyway"

 

 

Todd Rice is such a low life he wouldn't take it like a man, he would try to sue you for everything you own. Best to let the courts handle it

[bbd1234]

Thanks for the info