Globe Fur sale

[standman]

/>Standman,

What did you average on your fox?

I got $31.

 

Brian

[elwood]

Thanks Brian. I dropped off 3 cats and 14 fox Friday night but wasn't able to be there for the sale. Hopefully Kingman will be better for everyone that pulled their cats!

[standman]

/>Thanks Brian. I dropped off 3 cats and 14 fox Friday night but wasn't able to be there for the sale. Hopefully Kingman will be better for everyone that pulled their cats!

Most all other fox were going in the $23-25 range. Very few were going higher than that.

 

Brian

[sniper]

Wow these prices are disappointing.

[twowindy]

Prices were down but I think we all got spoiled last year.I've sold fur off and on for the last 20+ years and these prices were more normal.I had 5 cats all of them were females in the 34 to 36 inch range and I averaged 275 dollars.I went ahead and sold mine.I might regret selling them but it cost a lot off money to travel around to all the auctions or ship them to the auction houses.

[bonecollector777]

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Prices were down but I think we all got spoiled last year.I've sold fur off and on for the last 20+ years and these prices were more normal.I had 5 cats all of them were females in the 34 to 36 inch range and I averaged 275 dollars.I went ahead and sold mine.I might regret selling them but it cost a lot off money to travel around to all the auctions or ship them to the auction houses.

That's actually a good average for those cats and the circumstances. I had a nice female that stretched 37 and they offered 110 dollars. And it came from high elevation with very heavy fur. I'll hang them on my wall or let my dogs chew on them before I sell them for a hundred bucks

[twowindy]

Thanks bonecollector 777.I don't think I would have sold mine for 110 dollars either.I stood at the end of the stage watching the pelts go though the auction trying to figure out what the buyers were looking for.I couldn't make any sense out of what they wanted.

[twowindy]

Cograts to standman ,I saw your fox sell and they looked awesome! I only got 27 dollars for mine this year.Last year I got 33 dollars

[bonecollector777]

Here are the averages. It came out sideways on my screen but not sure if it's that way for everyone. Average was real close to what I guessed it would be for the cats. Kinda sad it went down so fast in just one year. Good thing I do it just for fun and not for a living! As is about 70% of cats sold but I would guess a solid 200 or more only sold because noone was there to say no sale.

[PatrickJr]

I thought ringtail were protected???

 

I guess I'm wrong

 

I know for a fact that there is red fox in AZ I saw a pair near Winslow

[twowindy]

If the prices continue to stay low it might thin out the newbies that thought they were going to get rich.

[standman]

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Prices were down but I think we all got spoiled last year.I've sold fur off and on for the last 20+ years and these prices were more normal.I had 5 cats all of them were females in the 34 to 36 inch range and I averaged 275 dollars.I went ahead and sold mine.I might regret selling them but it cost a lot off money to travel around to all the auctions or ship them to the auction houses.

That's actually a good average for those cats and the circumstances. I had a nice female that stretched 37 and they offered 110 dollars. And it came from high elevation with very heavy fur. I'll hang them on my wall or let my dogs chew on them before I sell them for a hundred bucks

BC777 That's exactly what they offered my two females. But I will say my two were average to slightly below average at best. Just couldn't let them go at that price.

[standman]

/>Cograts to standman ,I saw your fox sell and they looked awesome! I only got 27 dollars for mine this year.Last year I got 33 dollars

Thanks. I was worried with what the rest of the fox were going for but I knew I had good ones. That turned out ok. I also got 42 for my six coyotes.

 

Brian

[Hyperwrx]

$42 per coyote is a great average.

 

There are a few small pockets of red foxes still in AZ. They are not cherry red like we expect a red fox to be, but are a dull red. I caught one and have it hung up in my garage. It's worth about $15 tops due to the color but is more of a cool keepsake. We have 3 species of fox in AZ (red, grey, kit) and I have them all hung up in my garage plus a big coyote and a big badger. Conversation pieces.

 

Bonecollector777- If you want to know why you only were offered 110 dollars for your 37" stretched cat look into how you put up fur. No offence, but when my lot of 18 35" to 38" lower desert (2500' elevation) bobcats go for $320 per bobcat pelt, compared to your fur prices- you need to reexamine how your fur looks to a buyer. My pelts are barely considered semi-heavy. I had another lot of 4 pelts, 39"-42" sell for $450 each. I had 3 other bobcat lots. I walked away with a good chunk of change for my fur and that was seeing the market drop almost 40% on bobcat hides. My greys were nothing special at $25 each. Greys actually held their price better than bobcats.

 

As for you getting a better price elsewhere- good luck. I still have bobcat pelts on stretchers that will be at the Briarpatch Fur Sale. The Fallon sale is where you'll see a visible price difference MAYBE but the AZ sale sets the tone for ALL THE SALES IN THE WESTERN US. The UTA sale last week in Nephi was worse than the ATA. Less buyers, lower prices. I do not expect the prices at the Kingman Sale to be better than the ATA sale. Less buyers. The bobcat pelt market is getting saturated if you didn't notice. Any bobcats smaller than 36" are not a desired commodity this year. Poorly put up cats are not desired this year. The cream of the crop is wanted and THAT is priced about 40% lower than last year.

 

The fur market is like a wave, it has crests and toughs. Last year was the apex and its going down now. If you have been in fur very long you see these rises and falls and expect them. I was hoping it wouldn't go down as far as it did but that's the market and we don't dictate it. The 350 bobcats that were pulled as no sales at the ATA sale will regret that move in the end I think. Our only hope is the 1% commission at the Kingman sale offsets some of the lower prices we'll see.

 

Another aspect people probably don't know is that Black Pine Fur was not at the ATA sale this year. They bought a lot of high dollar bobcat fur the last 2 years at the ATA sale. The current fur market has them being more reserved with their funds. Eric and George stood up in front of the crowd after a string of no sales and lectured everyone about the fur market and how its low right now due to mild winter in Russia and the fiasco with the fur market in China right now. Ron Day, ATA president and past AZG&F biologist also got up and told people they were not being cheated. There were still people thinking they'd pull their fur and get better prices elsewhere. Good luck on that. I hope they get at least 75% of what was at the ATA.

 

Grey foxes did not suffer the same price drop that bobcats saw. It has to do with how the fur is used in the garment industry. Trim vs. main body on clothes. I don't know the specifics but thankfully fox prices were only slightly lower than last year. Actually looked it up.

 

Last year grey foxes averaged $30, this year $23. drop of 23%

Last year bobcat average $420 this year $238. drop of 43%

 

[standman]

/>$42 per coyote is a great average.

 

There are a few small pockets of red foxes still in AZ. They are not cherry red like we expect a red fox to be, but are a dull red. I caught one and have it hung up in my garage. It's worth about $15 tops due to the color but is more of a cool keepsake. We have 3 species of fox in AZ (red, grey, kit) and I have them all hung up in my garage plus a big coyote and a big badger. Conversation pieces.

 

Bonecollector777- If you want to know why you only were offered 110 dollars for your 37" stretched cat look into how you put up fur. No offence, but when my lot of 18 35" to 38" lower desert (2500' elevation) bobcats go for $320 per bobcat pelt, compared to your fur prices- you need to reexamine how your fur looks to a buyer. My pelts are barely considered semi-heavy. I had another lot of 4 pelts, 39"-42" sell for $450 each. I had 3 other bobcat lots. I walked away with a good chunk of change for my fur and that was seeing the market drop almost 40% on bobcat hides. My greys were nothing special at $25 each. Greys actually held their price better than bobcats.

 

As for you getting a better price elsewhere- good luck. I still have bobcat pelts on stretchers that will be at the Briarpatch Fur Sale. The Fallon sale is where you'll see a visible price difference MAYBE but the AZ sale sets the tone for ALL THE SALES IN THE WESTERN US. The UTA sale last week in Nephi was worse than the ATA. Less buyers, lower prices. I do not expect the prices at the Kingman Sale to be better than the ATA sale. Less buyers. The bobcat pelt market is getting saturated if you didn't notice. Any bobcats smaller than 36" are not a desired commodity this year. Poorly put up cats are not desired this year. The cream of the crop is wanted and THAT is priced about 40% lower than last year.

 

The fur market is like a wave, it has crests and toughs. Last year was the apex and its going down now. If you have been in fur very long you see these rises and falls and expect them. I was hoping it wouldn't go down as far as it did but that's the market and we don't dictate it. The 350 bobcats that were pulled as no sales at the ATA sale will regret that move in the end I think. Our only hope is the 1% commission at the Kingman sale offsets some of the lower prices we'll see.

 

Another aspect people probably don't know is that Black Pine Fur was not at the ATA sale this year. They bought a lot of high dollar bobcat fur the last 2 years at the ATA sale. The current fur market has them being more reserved with their funds. Eric and George stood up in front of the crowd after a string of no sales and lectured everyone about the fur market and how its low right now due to mild winter in Russia and the fiasco with the fur market in China right now. Ron Day, ATA president and past AZG&F biologist also got up and told people they were not being cheated. There were still people thinking they'd pull their fur and get better prices elsewhere. Good luck on that. I hope they get at least 75% of what was at the ATA.

 

Grey foxes did not suffer the same price drop that bobcats saw. It has to do with how the fur is used in the garment industry. Trim vs. main body on clothes. I don't know the specifics but thankfully fox prices were only slightly lower than last year. Actually looked it up.

 

Last year grey foxes averaged $30, this year $23. drop of 23%

Last year bobcat average $420 this year $238. drop of 43%

 

Congrats on all your cats and your sale success. Question for you. Where do you get your cat stretchers? Do you buy them or make them? I've been putting up fur since I was knee high, learned from my dad who was a trapper most of his life. I always stretched my cats the old fashioned way until just recently learning of the Nevada style stretchers. Time to learn some new tricks for the cats to keep up. I haven't trapped since legholds were outlawed, only call now. I don't get a lot of cats so gotta learn to maximize what I get. Thanks.

 

Brian