Pinal County Deputy shoots unarmed man

[Snapshot]

Criminal? Hardly!. Maybe in the eyes of our joke of a legal system. Not disclosing a firearm to an LEO is pretty trivial compared to what they get away with on daily basis. Cops get pissed when you step out of your vehicle during a traffic stop. All you have to do is step out of the vehicle and lock the door. "Am I free to go officer"?

 

An LEO may demand surrender of a weapon for his/her safety during a traffic stop. Running serial numbers after weapon is surrendered, does not fall under the scope of surrendering that weapon and the purpose therein. Running serial numbers under that pretext ,has been deemed a violation of our constitutional rights in a court of law.

[Weston]

Criminal? Hardly!. Maybe in the eyes of our joke of a legal system. Not disclosing a firearm to an LEO is pretty trivial compared to what they get away with on daily basis. Cops get pissed when you step out of your vehicle during a traffic stop. All you have to do is step out of the vehicle and lock the door. "Am I free to go officer"?

 

An LEO may demand surrender of a weapon for his/her safety during a traffic stop. Running serial numbers after weapon is surrendered, does not fall under the scope of surrendering that weapon and the purpose therein. Running serial numbers under that pretext ,has been deemed a violation of our constitutional rights in a court of law.

 

 

You're right they do, and rightfully so.... And no you're not free to go because you committed a violation of the law or a town code and are under legal seizure, so no you are being detained and cannot leave.

 

Right, and you implied that you would not tell a LEO about the guns unless they had a "search warrant" I never made any mention about legality of running a wants check on a firearm, so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that. If you don't like the legal system or ARS the solution is simple.... It involves a U haul truck.

 

A cop never knows who they're dealing with and people who act as "sovereign citizens" often thinking they are above the law are a reality and unfortunately are often the ones who don't respect a lawful order made in good faith and subject them selves to consequences that follow. They could be a great person with strong morals or they could be a convicted murder that out legal system let free.

[johnnie blaze]

He's lucky he lived that long. That speeding piece of metal is surely a weapon. What if a loved one was hit by that jackass. IMHO, that guy is the biggest problem with this country. "its not breaking the law unless I get caught" NOT THIS TIME LOSER!

[Snapshot]

The phrase " Am I fee to go" is used if you feel you are being unlawfully, or unreasonably detained.

 

My reasoning behind the serial number check is that cops often will check numbers on guns after you have surrendered your weapon during a routine traffic stop. Taking your gun in the name of his/her safety, and then running a check on it is something that I won't allow.

 

It's not that I have anything against laws, as I am a law abiding citizen. for the most part. I have a real problem with the Gestapo Police nation we are becoming.

I have zero tolerance, or respect for LEO's that treat me like a third class citizen

 

Do you not believe in "Don't tread on me"?

 

Get a U-Haul? Really?

 

You sound too much like a Cop lover.

[DesertBull]

On July 5, 2011, 37-year-old Kelly Thomas was hospitalized after a run-in with police that saw him tasered multiple times, beaten with batons and the blunt side of a taser, while yelling for his father for help. Thomas, who suffered from schizophrenia, fell into a coma as a result of the incident and was removed from life support five days later.

Former Fullerton Officer Manuel Ramos, 39, has been charged with second-degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Meanwhile, former Cpl. Jay Cicinelli, 41, is charged with involuntary manslaughter and the use of excessive force. Both are pleading not guilty.

The trial will likely center on surveillance video footage that captured much of the physical confrontation between Thomas and police. Officers were responding to a report of a possible vehicle break-in when they encountered Thomas, and a video recording from the nearby bus depot showed police striking Thomas with batons and taking him to the ground, among other things.

Thomas is also on record calling for his father’s help multiple times, as well as telling police he could not breathe before eventually losing the ability to speak.

“One of the last things, I think, he was able to slowly moan out is: ‘Daddy, they're killing me,’" said Ron Thomas, Kelly’s father, according to the Daily Mail. “I lay there at night and think about that. It'll get you to the point where you can't function and you just cry a lot.”

At one point in the video, Ramos can be seen putting on latex gloves and telling Thomas, "Now you see my fists? ... They're getting ready to [expletive] you up."

 

http://rt.com/usa/california-police-kelly-thomas-608/

[DesertBull]

The caller said that Vidal "won't take his medication" and that his family has had "to put him in before, (and) he's getting real bad again."

"He's just, he's not right," he said.

Two officers arrived and began talking with Vidal, according to CNN affiliate WWAY. The situation was relatively calm until a third officer -- a detective from the nearby city of Southport -- arrived, the family said.

"Everything was going good," Mark Wilsey said, according to WWAY. "Then this fat cop from Southport walks in the room, walks around the corner, says, 'We don't have time for this. Tase that kid now. Let's get him out of here.' "

The stepfather said Vidal tried to run but was struck with two Taser charges and fell backward. He said the first two officers to respond got on top of Vidal.

WECT attributed a slightly different accounting of events to Mark Wilsey. In that retelling, the stepfather said officers had pinned Vidal to the ground after he had been tased and one of the officers said, "We don't have time for this" and shot his stepson.

Seventy seconds after the third officer arrived, WECT reported, citing police records, police radioed that they had had to shoot the teenager in self-defense.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/justice/north-carolina-teen-killed/

[DesertBull]

BERWYN HEIGHTS, Md. — Mayor Cheye Calvo got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch and brought it inside, putting it on a table.

Suddenly, police with guns drawn kicked in the door and stormed in, shooting to death the couple's two dogs and seizing the unopened package.

In it were 32 pounds of marijuana. But the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple.

Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half-dozen unsuspecting recipients.

The two men under arrest include a FedEx deliveryman; investigators said the deliveryman would drop off a package outside a home, and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up.

Now, federal authorities say they're looking into how local law enforcement handled the July 29 raid. FBI Agent Rich Wolf said late Thursday that the bureau had opened a civil rights investigation into the case.

A furious Calvo said earlier Thursday that he and his wife, Trinity Tomsic, had asked the government to investigate.

"Trinity was an innocent victim and random victim," Calvo said outside his two-story, red-brick house in this middle-class Washington suburb of about 3,000 people. "We were harmed by the very people who took an oath to protect us."

Calvo insisted the couple's two black Labradors were gentle creatures and said police apparently killed them "for sport," gunning down one of them as it was running away.

"Our dogs were our children," said the 37-year-old Calvo. "They were the reason we bought this house because it had a big yard for them to run in."

The mayor, who was changing his clothes when police burst in, also complained that he was handcuffed in his boxer shorts for about two hours along with his mother-in-law, and said the officers didn't believe him when he told them he was the mayor. No charges were brought against Calvo or his wife, who came home in the middle of the raid.

Prince George's County Police Chief Melvin High said Wednesday that Calvo and his family were "most likely ... innocent victims," but he would not rule out their involvement, and he defended the way the raid was conducted. He and other officials did not apologize for killing the dogs, saying the officers felt threatened.

The FBI will monitor how effective, fair and professional the law enforcement agency's conduct was during the incident, Wolf said. A police spokesman declined comment Thursday on the FBI investigation.

Police announced Wednesday they had arrested two men suspected in a plot to smuggle 417 pounds of marijuana, and seized a total of $3.6 million in pot. Investigators said the package that arrived on Calvo's porch had been sent from Los Angeles via FedEx, and they had been tracking it ever since it drew the attention of a drug-sniffing dog in Arizona.

Police intercepted it in Maryland, and an undercover detective posing as a deliveryman took it to the Calvo home.

Calvo's defenders -- including the Berwyn Heights police chief, who said his department should have been alerted ahead of time -- said police had no right to enter the home without knocking.

But officials insisted they acted within the law, saying the operation was compromised when Calvo's mother-in-law saw officers approaching the house and screamed. That could have given someone time to grab a gun or destroy evidence, authorities said.

Neighbors in Berwyn Heights, which Calvo described as "Mayberry inside the Capital Beltway," have rallied around the couple. On Sunday night, supporters gathered on a ballfield to pay tribute to the family and the dogs. A banner on the wooden fence around Calvo's yard read, "Cheye and Trinity, We support you, Friends and Citizens of Berwyn Heights." Around it were dozens of handwritten messages from supporters.

In addition to being the part-time mayor, Calvo works at a nonprofit foundation that runs boarding schools. His wife is a state finance officer.

"When all of this happened I was flabbergasted," said next-door neighbor Edward Alexander. "I was completely stunned because those dogs didn't hurt anybody. They barely bark."

The case is the latest embarrassment for Prince George's County officials. A former police officer was sentenced in May to 45 years in prison for shooting two furniture deliverymen at his home last year, one of them fatally. He claimed that they attacked him. In June, a suspect jailed in the death of a police officer was found strangled in his cell.

Calvo said he was astonished that police have not only failed to apologize, but declined to clear the couple's names.

His wife spoke through tears as she described an encounter with a girl who used to see the couple walking their dogs.

"She gave me a big hug and she said, 'If the police shot your dogs dead and did this to you, how can I trust them?'" Tomsic said. "I don't want people to feel like that. I just want them to be proud of our police and proud to live in Prince George's County."

 

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-08-07-1777915510_x.htm

[Scooter]

Unfortunately, these things happen. I really don't have an opinion on this event- I just would like to know, in the heat of this moment and with everything that led up to it, what would you do differently? What are the possible outcomes if you had waited and he was armed? It's just a bad deal all around. Just tell it like it is... a situation where someone had to make a decision (to shoot or not to shoot) that they will have to live with their entire life.

[ctafoya]

Too bad a few bad apples seem to drag down good LEO's. There are still a lot of good ones out there that go by the spirit of the law in most cases and ain't out to give people a hard time.

[trphyhntr]

You sound too much like a Cop

fixed

[Snapshot]

I have all the respect in the world for good cops. Jerk cops......not so much,

[Seldom Drawn]

Too bad a few bad apples seem to drag down good LEO's. There are still a lot of good ones out there that go by the spirit of the law in most cases and ain't out to give people a hard time.

A few really?

[ctafoya]

Hey, I'm just sayin there are bad employees in every profession. Can't lump em all into one catagory. How many news story a year do you hear of a "bad cop"? Quite a few. Take that number vs how many LEO's are employed in the US. Not that bad of a tract record.

[Hunterjohnny]

Too bad a few bad apples seem to drag down good LEO's. There are still a lot of good ones out there that go by the spirit of the law in most cases and ain't out to give people a hard time.

A few really?

Good and bad people, some proffesions are higher profile and bigger consequenses. I could not do that job, and wont second guess it.

[DesertBull]

How about better training, more stringent selection process and less testosterone?