COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL GREED AND ROBBERY!!!!!!!

[deserttacoma84]

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I don't totally trust the government, or hardly anybody for that matter these days, but i also am not one of the government is out to get me types either. If they wanted to get me then they would have showed up at my doorstep long ago. There's a fine line in my opinion between questioning things the government does and just being a paranoid skitso about everything. What's ironic about the paranoid camp of people is when someone breaks into their house at night the first people they call is the government run institution called 911, and ask for the government cops to come save their butt. Very ironic. Everything has it's goods and it's bads. Back to the subject though, people who are super pissed about tag price increases should show their utter discontent by not putting in, it's actually very simple. If i don't like eating at jack in the box, then i don't go in an order a hamburger there. Some would rather go in and buy the hamburger even though they don't like jack in the box, but instead not eat it, and stand there and complain about the hamburger price. Just don't go in the restaurant, just like don't put in and support something you have so much detest for. Just sayin

Completely stupid comparison. If I don't like jack in the box I go to mcdonalds, burger king, sonic, taco bell, Carl's jr., kfc, dairy queen, wendys, panda express, subway etc. . .

If I don't like the prices of azgfd and still want to hunt elk in my state I go to. . Wait there isn't anyone else to go to. So therefore it's I pay whatever price these idiots come up with or I don't hunt. If I don't like jack in the box I have about a hundred other choices for a better bargain. Azgfd knows they have the power to charge whatever they want and we will pay it if we want to hunt. That's what the argument is here.

 

Or just not eat any of those places at all for 1 week and take that savings to pay for the tag/app increase..

 

Seems to me like its hard for people to save money.. Were really only talking about what $30 dollars per hunter?

[bonecollector777]

So AZGFD works like a business to make as much money as they can off of us? With the whole supply and demand example that's what it sounds like. Regardless of population of people in the state they still have to manage a similar amount of wildlife. Utah would be an even better example. Doesn't quite seem right that the azgfd can say we'll since we have more people interested in hunting in our state we can just charge more since the demand is so high.

With the population of Wyoming so low and even lower prices than here I would imagine they bring in much less money than our department and they do just fine. Arizona has hundreds of thousands of people that put in every year that pay some of the highest prices in the west for hunting so why can't the much higher amount of people putting in offset the prices so they are a little lower? Instead they raise prices and tag numbers and make even more.

[Jcubed]

So AZGFD works like a business to make as much money as they can off of us? With the whole supply and demand example that's what it sounds like. Regardless of population of people in the state they still have to manage a similar amount of wildlife. Utah would be an even better example. Doesn't quite seem right that the azgfd can say we'll since we have more people interested in hunting in our state we can just charge more since the demand is so high.

With the population of Wyoming so low and even lower prices than here I would imagine they bring in much less money than our department and they do just fine. Arizona has hundreds of thousands of people that put in every year that pay some of the highest prices in the west for hunting so why can't the much higher amount of people putting in offset the prices so they are a little lower? Instead they raise prices and tag numbers and make even more.

 

Here is some good advice. Post less, study more.

 

http://www.azgfd.gov/inside_azgfd/funds.shtml

 

AZGFD $104 million FY 2010 (requested)

 

http://wyofile.com/dustin/sportsmen-cuts-to-game-and-fish-threaten-wyomings-wildlife-tourism-economy/

 

Article says Wyoming is about $71 million and article was printed in 2013.

 

(Very QUICK Google search)

 

So, back to populations. AZGFD serves a resident populations of

6,482,505 - Jul 2011

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

 

While Wyoming serves a resident population of

568,158 - Jul 2011

Source: U.S. Census Bureau

 

So some simple math tells us that AZ spends $16.04 per resident managing "the same amount of wildlife."

 

While Wyoming spends...wait for it...$124.97 per resident.

 

So, what was your argument exactly? Seems AZGFD is fairly efficient serving a VERY large population when you actually look at the numbers. Also, take into account that serving such a large number of consituents costs MORE. IE, the website has to have more access to servers to support all the last minute people (resident and non-resident) who apply just before the deadline, then complain when the website is overloaded and crashes.

 

If you have real arguments based on facts and numbers, please respond. If you just continue to respond with baseless opinions, please heed my advice. Post less, study more.

[johnnie blaze]

I don't think all 6.5mil hunt. Might be a Lil harder math.I wonder what % of each population actually purchases licenses.

[Jcubed]

I don't think all 6.5mil hunt. Might be a Lil harder math.I wonder what % of each population actually purchases licenses.

 

Ok, I will run with that as well. Give me a minute. Let's assume that Wyoming has a population that ALL hunts (If you don't assume this, then the ~$124 per person is going to rise in price very quickly).

 

I will be back.

 

 

Alright, I'm back. Here are some numbers.

 

If you assume that the entire Wyoming population hunts and it is approximately $125 per person to manage the wildlife in the state.

 

Then, to reach the same amount of hunters served in ariziona at $125 per hunter, then the AZGFD only serves 832,000 persons with their budget. Looking at this a little differently, AZGFD would then only serve approximately 12.8% of the AZ population. However, this a specious argument as the AZGFD not only serves hunters, but fishermen, shooters, and any person who actually uses outdoor and wildlife resources in the state...and is also a law enforcement agency.

[deserttacoma84]

^^^^ getting out my popcorn!

[Guest wdenike]

I will explain how it works.

 

Simple supply and demand. If there is a finite supply of a resource and a very high demand, then in a free market the price goes up.

 

Look at this link for some economic basics: http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newSTR_69.htm

 

Additionally, the numbers comparing other western states are misleading. The population of Wyoming that has "just as much wildlife to manage" as Arizona is approximately 568,158 (July 2011, US Census Bureau). Compare that to the population of Tucson being 525,796 (July 2011, US Census Bureau).

 

Now, where do you think there is more resident demand?

 

The numbers actually indicate that our prices could be MUCH higher, yet, AZGFD raised prices for the first time in years this last year.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

This whole argument is about how expensive tags are for us in Arizona. A couple of people have posted quite plainly that arizona is higher in licenses and tag fees compared to other states. Those other states like Wyoming have just as much wildlife to manage yet they manage to do it will much less money. How does that work? Your argument about having to leave to hunt in other states or on reservations is ridiculous. I have hunted in Texas and paid around 100 bucks and was able to kill four turkeys and as many varmints and hogs as I could handle. That's out of state prices that are cheaper than in state prices here. And I would only get to kill 1 turkey here!

Obviously you and azgfd have the same attitude. . If they want to hunt they will have to pay whatever we say they will pay and if they don't like it they can just quit hunting. Well guess what? There are already a lot of guys not putting in and we will lose them and their kids that would have been hunters. As they raise them and raise them more and more people will stop. Which is what you want it sounds like. As long as your odds are better to get a tag screw everyone else.

 

 

 

You may try to BS everyone on here by trying to fast talk and try and smooth things out making people believe everything is A OK. Comparing a gooberment agency to FREE ENTERPRISE. Come on really??? Maybe you need to brush up on economics.

 

 

 

 

Take care, Willie

[AZLance]

I'm getting the Jack Daniels out if Jcubed is gonna play professor...

[Guest wdenike]

Please no more explaining!!!!

 

 

 

Take care, Willie

[deserttacoma84]

Then please no more complaining!

[Jcubed]

More numbers. If Arizona actually spent the same amount of dollars per resident as Wyoming, then the AZGFD budget would be approximately $810,313,125 per year.

 

In FY 2013, the Governor signed an $8.6 billon dollar budget. If AZGFD recive as much per person as Wyoming, then the AZGFD budget would be approximately 9.4% OF THE ENTIRE STATE BUDGET.

 

Please.

[Jcubed]

I will explain how it works.

 

Simple supply and demand. If there is a finite supply of a resource and a very high demand, then in a free market the price goes up.

 

Look at this link for some economic basics: http://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/newSTR_69.htm

 

Additionally, the numbers comparing other western states are misleading. The population of Wyoming that has "just as much wildlife to manage" as Arizona is approximately 568,158 (July 2011, US Census Bureau). Compare that to the population of Tucson being 525,796 (July 2011, US Census Bureau).

 

Now, where do you think there is more resident demand?

 

The numbers actually indicate that our prices could be MUCH higher, yet, AZGFD raised prices for the first time in years this last year.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

This whole argument is about how expensive tags are for us in Arizona. A couple of people have posted quite plainly that arizona is higher in licenses and tag fees compared to other states. Those other states like Wyoming have just as much wildlife to manage yet they manage to do it will much less money. How does that work? Your argument about having to leave to hunt in other states or on reservations is ridiculous. I have hunted in Texas and paid around 100 bucks and was able to kill four turkeys and as many varmints and hogs as I could handle. That's out of state prices that are cheaper than in state prices here. And I would only get to kill 1 turkey here!

Obviously you and azgfd have the same attitude. . If they want to hunt they will have to pay whatever we say they will pay and if they don't like it they can just quit hunting. Well guess what? There are already a lot of guys not putting in and we will lose them and their kids that would have been hunters. As they raise them and raise them more and more people will stop. Which is what you want it sounds like. As long as your odds are better to get a tag screw everyone else.

 

 

 

You may try to BS everyone on here by trying to fast talk and try and smooth things out making people believe everything is A OK. Comparing a gooberment agency to FREE ENTERPRISE. Come on really??? Maybe you need to brush up on economics.

 

 

 

 

Take care, Willie

 

LOL. I quoted simple economics and have given you actual NUMBERS per person for the cost of wildlife management (they are estimates from what I could gather from quick google searches, I admit that). What have you and others complaining offered the discussion? Baseless opinions and complaining...to the point where everyone throws up their hands and says, "if you think the G&F listens you are wrong...SO I QUIT GOING."

 

Don't have an active participation in YOUR govenment, then don't complain. The founding fathers realized that government REQUIRES THE ACTUAL PARTICIPATION OF THE GOVERNED. That is how we ended up with the US Constitution.

 

And, yes, I do suggest the AZGFD should be run like an actual business. Personally, I'm all for privatization of government services...but that is a different discussion.

[Guest wdenike]

Then please no more complaining!

 

 

 

Complaining, No complaining just refuse to participate in OBummer mathematics. I know I have mentioned this else where. But just in case you missed it. What does your math think of this. They actually had the kahunas to tell my son in law They wanted 13.00 app. fee what ever for the loyalty point, plus a sportsman license. In the neighborhood of 180.00 for someone that won't set foot on Arizona soil. Don't know what you call that. But I call it organized crime. With push overs for constituents.

 

 

Take care, Willie

[Jcubed]

So, now OBummer controls math? Where do you get this?

 

My math thinks that AZGFD performs a quality job based on the per resident cost. I don't know what you think about ~$125 vs ~$16.

 

Personally, for the same service, I will always pay the $16. Maybe you will do differently.

[deserttacoma84]

Im for it. Hopefully it will discourage out of staters and keep them in their own state and let us residents have a chance at a tag. Its the price u gotta pay to play... Dont like it, Stay in your home state.