DesertBull Report post Posted January 30, 2014 Last year 100% of resident hunters with 22 and 23 points drew unit 10 rifle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Carr Report post Posted January 30, 2014 So then the process I described is correct? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654321 Report post Posted January 30, 2014 I have read the bonus pass section in the AZ G&F regulations, but I guess I am still not clear on how all of this works. I will have 24 points for antelope this year. For this reason I am trying to make sure I understand this system. From what I understand 20% of the big game tags are set aside for the applicants with the highest number of points, is this correct? Does this mean that if there are 90 tags in unit 10, then 18 are set aside for the applicants with the highest number of points? Say for argument, that the highest number of points any applicant has is 24, and there are 15 residents with 24 points, all of these applicants would be drawn? (as long as their application is not requested for some reason.) If so then this would leave 3 permits still in the bonus pass pool. At that point if there are 50 applicants with the next highest level of points in this example 23 bonus point then these 50 applicants would then be placed in a drawn for the 3 permits? the help of some of the knowledgeable members is appreciated.Thanks Phil No argument, there are 2 residents with 25 pts. And 5 with 24. If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents so if you have 24 pts right now you should draw a tag in unit 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector777 Report post Posted January 31, 2014 /> I have read the bonus pass section in the AZ G&F regulations, but I guess I am still not clear on how all of this works. I will have 24 points for antelope this year. For this reason I am trying to make sure I understand this system. From what I understand 20% of the big game tags are set aside for the applicants with the highest number of points, is this correct? Does this mean that if there are 90 tags in unit 10, then 18 are set aside for the applicants with the highest number of points? Say for argument, that the highest number of points any applicant has is 24, and there are 15 residents with 24 points, all of these applicants would be drawn? (as long as their application is not requested for some reason.) If so then this would leave 3 permits still in the bonus pass pool. At that point if there are 50 applicants with the next highest level of points in this example 23 bonus point then these 50 applicants would then be placed in a drawn for the 3 permits? the help of some of the knowledgeable members is appreciated. Thanks Phil No argument, there are 2 residents with 25 pts. And 5 with 24. If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents so if you have 24 pts right now you should draw a tag in unit 10And that's assuming everyone with Max points is putting in for unit 10 which I don't think is gonna happen so you're pretty much guaranteed a tag I would think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Carr Report post Posted January 31, 2014 Thanks for the feed back. I guess I now need to decide what unit I would really like to hunt. I waited this long and really would like to hunt an area were the best chance for a trophy will be found. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Umpqua Report post Posted February 1, 2014 Thanks for the feed back. I guess I now need to decide what unit I would really like to hunt. I waited this long and really would like to hunt an area were the best chance for a trophy will be found. FYI Phil…I'm the single non-resident with 24 points, and there no non-residents that have more than that. I bought a point this year, so no competition from me. I'm holding off a year or two just because I want to hunt elk in September this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
almost Report post Posted February 20, 2014 1 hopefully I'll win the lottery and be hunting elk and speed goat archery unit 1 this year!! ( one can dream ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1uglydude Report post Posted March 12, 2014 If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents Not true. The 10% cap for Non-res is a CAP, not a set aside. That means that AT LEAST 9 of the bonus tags will go to residents, but every single one of the 18 tags could go to a resident if there were not any non-residents with more points. Or, if there were non-residents with the same amount of points, it would just be a matter of who had the better randomly assigned bonus pass draw number. There is no advantage to being a non-resident. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
654321 Report post Posted March 13, 2014 If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents Not true. The 10% cap for Non-res is a CAP, not a set aside. That means that AT LEAST 9 of the bonus tags will go to residents, but every single one of the 18 tags could go to a resident if there were not any non-residents with more points. Or, if there were non-residents with the same amount of points, it would just be a matter of who had the better randomly assigned bonus pass draw number. There is no advantage to being a non-resident. I wish I had the draw report that actually showed each unit broke down by residents and non-residents. I would bet that rifle antelope, every early bull tag most archery bull tags and every deer tag north of the big ditch all make it to the 10% cap in fact except for the archery bull I would bet that most of those tags reach the 10% cap in the 20% pass. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el diablo Report post Posted March 13, 2014 />With 23 pts xforce you can pretty much pick what you want. At 13 pts you can draw archery. Count on waiting another 7 yrs to get in the bonus pass. But in AZ you can draw any year in the 1-2 pass. In the words of Lloyd Christmas: So you're sayin there's a chance!!! One in a million! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1uglydude Report post Posted March 13, 2014 /> If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents Not true. The 10% cap for Non-res is a CAP, not a set aside. That means that AT LEAST 9 of the bonus tags will go to residents, but every single one of the 18 tags could go to a resident if there were not any non-residents with more points. Or, if there were non-residents with the same amount of points, it would just be a matter of who had the better randomly assigned bonus pass draw number. There is no advantage to being a non-resident. I wish I had the draw report that actually showed each unit broke down by residents and non-residents. I would bet that rifle antelope, every early bull tag most archery bull tags and every deer tag north of the big ditch all make it to the 10% cap in fact except for the archery bull I would bet that most of those tags reach the 10% cap in the 20% pass.Just because that is how it works out in many of the premium hunts, it doesn't mean it is always guaranteed to happen. Also, there is currently an Article I rule change in the works that will keep the 10% non res cap in place but will limit non res applicants to no more than 5% of the total tags during the bonus pass. So, where there are 20 bonus pass tags for a 100 tag hunt, non residents could not pull more than 5 tags during the bonus pass. Five tags could still go to non resident applicants, but they would have to draw them in the next round while competing with everyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted March 13, 2014 /> If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents Not true. The 10% cap for Non-res is a CAP, not a set aside. That means that AT LEAST 9 of the bonus tags will go to residents, but every single one of the 18 tags could go to a resident if there were not any non-residents with more points. Or, if there were non-residents with the same amount of points, it would just be a matter of who had the better randomly assigned bonus pass draw number. There is no advantage to being a non-resident. I wish I had the draw report that actually showed each unit broke down by residents and non-residents. I would bet that rifle antelope, every early bull tag most archery bull tags and every deer tag north of the big ditch all make it to the 10% cap in fact except for the archery bull I would bet that most of those tags reach the 10% cap in the 20% pass. To my knowledge there is no such report. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1uglydude Report post Posted March 13, 2014 /> /> If 90 tags 18 are set aside in bonus pass but only 9 will go to residents Not true. The 10% cap for Non-res is a CAP, not a set aside. That means that AT LEAST 9 of the bonus tags will go to residents, but every single one of the 18 tags could go to a resident if there were not any non-residents with more points. Or, if there were non-residents with the same amount of points, it would just be a matter of who had the better randomly assigned bonus pass draw number. There is no advantage to being a non-resident. I wish I had the draw report that actually showed each unit broke down by residents and non-residents. I would bet that rifle antelope, every early bull tag most archery bull tags and every deer tag north of the big ditch all make it to the 10% cap in fact except for the archery bull I would bet that most of those tags reach the 10% cap in the 20% pass.To my knowledge there is no such report.Flatlander, send me a PM with your email address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lancetkenyon Report post Posted March 13, 2014 I'm @ 22 BP for this year's draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Seldom Drawn Report post Posted March 14, 2014 I'm @ 22 BP for this year's draw. Can, I ask what unit you put in with 22 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
