Swivelhead Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Eventually most popular public shooting areas end up looking like landfills. Organized shooting groups and private individuals clean the areas periodically but still .......................... it is ugly. Public land managers are looking for a way to make the problem go away. Likely, the complaints from other user groups is really about the trashing of our public lands. Sycamore creek, the Rolls and Sugarloaf on the Tonto forest are prime examples. It really is embarrassing. As a group, recreational shooters are slobs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector Report post Posted November 21, 2013 They did this a whike back near the usery pass area. Recreational shooters leave a mess in the deserts and ruin it for everybody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wdenike Report post Posted November 21, 2013 Eventually most popular public shooting areas end up looking like landfills. Organized shooting groups and private individuals clean the areas periodically but still .......................... it is ugly. Public land managers are looking for a way to make the problem go away. Likely, the complaints from other user groups is really about the trashing of our public lands. Sycamore creek, the Rolls and Sugarloaf on the Tonto forest are prime examples. It really is embarrassing. As a group, recreational shooters are slobs. They did this a whike back near the usery pass area. Recreational shooters leave a mess in the deserts and ruin it for everybody. This is the cold hard truth. As a sportsman I can't stand going to some of these dumps where a lot of these shooters frequent. It has gotten to the point that I take the grand kids other beautiful places to shoot. And teach them not to leave a trace that we were there. ( even Rimfire brass ) Really don't know what the solution for pigs would be. Guess the forest service could glass from afar and fine the chit out of the ones that spread their garbage all over the place. But that would be way to much common sense, and resemble a real job. It's way easier to just regulate everyone out of the forest. So they can simply sit on their arses and collect a check. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattys281 Report post Posted November 22, 2013 Eventually most popular public shooting areas end up looking like landfills. Organized shooting groups and private individuals clean the areas periodically but still .......................... it is ugly. Public land managers are looking for a way to make the problem go away. Likely, the complaints from other user groups is really about the trashing of our public lands. Sycamore creek, the Rolls and Sugarloaf on the Tonto forest are prime examples. It really is embarrassing. As a group, recreational shooters are slobs. Very sad but true. I live out in avondale and sometimes head out to the white tanks to shoot. It does look a lot more like a landfill than a recreation area. I can't control the actions of others but you won't find any of my trash out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooter Report post Posted December 6, 2013 Ranchers can lease land from the government to graze cattle on. Don't they? I'm sure they're not paying much. I wonder what the process is for maybe getting a group together and leasing shooting areas from BLM and USFS and setting up established safe shooting ranges where you wouldn't have to worry about hikers, dog walkers, hunters, etc... An accidental shooting incident is just so terribly inevitable given that we've seen over the past year there are literally millions of new gun owners and gun sales increased by the tens of millions since Dec 2012. There's more people recreationally shooting out there, more guns, more ammo being spent, and the amount of public lands and shooting ranges hasn't changed. The litter at popular shooting areas (to include common dove hunting spots) is absolutely atrocious. It is everywhere. Go walk around a tank and tell me how many folks are using Wal Mart Winchester Universal bulk pack shotgun ammo. It's ridiculous. I'm surprised that there are still open gates to some of these areas. Old trees getting shot up, hulls and brass all over the ground, old electronics that have been shot up and jagged pieces everywhere, glass bottles broken, cardboard boxes, YOU NAME IT!!! Guys, I know it's not you- but it's somebody you've come across for sure. Step up and start saying something. we're going to lose this battle, trust me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
