macknnc Report post Posted October 25, 2013 I am regularly accused of being an 'old fogey'...My rifle of choice was, for years, a sporterized Lee-Enfield with 2 3/4x scope..then the rifling on that started going, I guess I could have gotten a new barrel for it, but I started using my Grandfathers NRA Springfield sporter, a '06 of course...it too had a 2 3/4x scope on it..then both of those got stolen and I went to Ruger M-77 .270, and this one wears a Leupold 1 3/4-5x variable scope... And they asked me "Why?" Why not something more 'modern?" (the 270 is not very popular for Eastern hunting) 'why not a magnum?" The 7 mag is pretty popular here...(why, I have no idea) "Why not a Weatherby? Okay...now then I admit, I read a lot of classic hunting literature. Including Larry Koller...(who used a .30-40) and as I have said, Jack O' Connor. So I have an inordinate fondness for the 'classic calibers' including such old timers as the .250 Savage, the .257 Roberts and especially the 7x57 Mauser...in fact had I found a 7mm at the time I was looking at my .270, I would have gotten it. To me, the magnums are a lot of noise and recoil with very little actual improvement. Yes they perform better at plus 300 yards than the calibers I mention. So what? How many actual 300+ yard shots do you take? For that matter, how many of us have any business taking shots that far? And lastly, a proper hit with any of the classic calibers kills every bit as quickly and as well as hits from the umpteen seventy eleven Rimbychester magnum does with the same shot placment. Thankee kindly, but I'll keep my old .270... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Workman Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Out here hunting deer in AZ a 300+ yard shot very common. IMO that's a chip shot out here. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Love this post, thanks for writing, I think I have a few of those cals in storage that were handed down to me, I will have to break them out and see. Yes there are opportunities in AZ for long shots but there are opportunities for close shots as well, just depends on how hard you want to work. Dont miss, it will ruin your day every time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted October 25, 2013 if you're hunting coues in AZ more often than not you'll be taking long shots. Not always and many times you can get closer but that is the area and terrain here. Not always but a lot of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macknnc Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted October 25, 2013 I am regularly accused of being an 'old fogey'...My rifle of choice was, for years, a sporterized Lee-Enfield with 2 3/4x scope..then the rifling on that started going, I guess I could have gotten a new barrel for it, but I started using my Grandfathers NRA Springfield sporter, a '06 of course...it too had a 2 3/4x scope on it..then both of those got stolen and I went to Ruger M-77 .270, and this one wears a Leupold 1 3/4-5x variable scope... And they asked me "Why?" Why not something more 'modern?" (the 270 is not very popular for Eastern hunting) 'why not a magnum?" The 7 mag is pretty popular here...(why, I have no idea) "Why not a Weatherby? Okay...now then I admit, I read a lot of classic hunting literature. Including Larry Koller...(who used a .30-40) and as I have said, Jack O' Connor. So I have an inordinate fondness for the 'classic calibers' including such old timers as the .250 Savage, the .257 Roberts and especially the 7x57 Mauser...in fact had I found a 7mm at the time I was looking at my .270, I would have gotten it. To me, the magnums are a lot of noise and recoil with very little actual improvement. Yes they perform better at plus 300 yards than the calibers I mention. So what? How many actual 300+ yard shots do you take? For that matter, how many of us have any business taking shots that far? And lastly, a proper hit with any of the classic calibers kills every bit as quickly and as well as hits from the umpteen seventy eleven Rimbychester magnum does with the same shot placment. Thankee kindly, but I'll keep my old .270... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Couldn't agree with you more! I personally have not shot a coues at more than 30 yards haha My rifle is a 30-06 and while its not a old fashion round I wouldn't trade my trusty 06 for anything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macknnc Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Ready2hunt: that is it in a nutshell...I don't care what you use, I'm just asking that you respect my choice and realize that for me, they are fully as valid as yours... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firstcoueswas80 Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Much of it depends on not only your location, but your quarry you might face off with in the field. In the east, from my understanding a loooonnnnggggg shot, might be 100-200 yards. Here in the west, in my opinion, 250-300 is a 'close' shot, with many huntrs in the field being able to reach past 500 yards. Even having said that, magnums are not 'needed',but with their higher velocity, more ft/lbs etc they tend to add a little more range, versatility and better results on the further shots. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe Report post Posted October 25, 2013 I am regularly accused of being an 'old fogey'...My rifle of choice was, for years, a sporterized Lee-Enfield with 2 3/4x scope..then the rifling on that started going, I guess I could have gotten a new barrel for it, but I started using my Grandfathers NRA Springfield sporter, a '06 of course...it too had a 2 3/4x scope on it..then both of those got stolen and I went to Ruger M-77 .270, and this one wears a Leupold 1 3/4-5x variable scope... And they asked me "Why?" Why not something more 'modern?" (the 270 is not very popular for Eastern hunting) 'why not a magnum?" The 7 mag is pretty popular here...(why, I have no idea) "Why not a Weatherby? Okay...now then I admit, I read a lot of classic hunting literature. Including Larry Koller...(who used a .30-40) and as I have said, Jack O' Connor. So I have an inordinate fondness for the 'classic calibers' including such old timers as the .250 Savage, the .257 Roberts and especially the 7x57 Mauser...in fact had I found a 7mm at the time I was looking at my .270, I would have gotten it. To me, the magnums are a lot of noise and recoil with very little actual improvement. Yes they perform better at plus 300 yards than the calibers I mention. So what? How many actual 300+ yard shots do you take? For that matter, how many of us have any business taking shots that far? And lastly, a proper hit with any of the classic calibers kills every bit as quickly and as well as hits from the umpteen seventy eleven Rimbychester magnum does with the same shot placment. Thankee kindly, but I'll keep my old .270... LMAO!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Ready2hunt: that is it in a nutshell...I don't care what you use, I'm just asking that you respect my choice and realize that for me, they are fully as valid as yours... macknnc ?? Not sure if you misunderstood me but I think what you typed up was great and I am agreeing with you. I know that on forums like these there is room for a lot of misinterpretation so if you took my comment as somehow putting you down I apologize. It was quite the opposite. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooter Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Couldn't agree with you more! I personally have not shot a coues at more than 30 yards haha My rifle is a 30-06 and while its not a old fashion round I wouldn't trade my trusty 06 for anything. How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that 30-06 SPRG is NOT an old fashioned round??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Couldn't agree with you more! I personally have not shot a coues at more than 30 yards haha My rifle is a 30-06 and while its not a old fashion round I wouldn't trade my trusty 06 for anything. How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that 30-06 SPRG is NOT an old fashioned round??? haha well I guess I meant it is not as old fashion as others. I know it been around for a while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooter Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Couldn't agree with you more! I personally have not shot a coues at more than 30 yards haha My rifle is a 30-06 and while its not a old fashion round I wouldn't trade my trusty 06 for anything. How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that 30-06 SPRG is NOT an old fashioned round??? haha well I guess I meant it is not as old fashion as others. I know it been around for a while a while... yes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trphyhntr Report post Posted October 25, 2013 Well I do have to admit that much of this is based on my own Eastern experience, but I have been out on a range with 500 yard available, and at 400 and 500 yards, I shoot my .270 much better than I do a 7 mag or a 300. This is all supposed to be all about fun anyway...I see forums here about taking Coues with a muzzleloader and a bow, and I doubt those guys consider 300 yards a 'chip shot.' and in the lever action question here, there is a gentleman who uses .444 Marlin...If that makes you happy/..have at it! That's the whole point...I'm just saying I am happier using the classic calibers...I don't care if you use a .460 Weatherby, (considering it would take a big Coues to hit 110 lbs, I'd say that would be touch overkill though) but if you enjoy it, use it. I am happy with my .270 Couldn't agree with you more! I personally have not shot a coues at more than 30 yards haha My rifle is a 30-06 and while its not a old fashion round I wouldn't trade my trusty 06 for anything. How in the world did you arrive at the conclusion that 30-06 SPRG is NOT an old fashioned round??? haha well I guess I meant it is not as old fashion as others. I know it been around for a while a while... yes. i think 30-06 is older than everything mentioned. .444 marlin, 7mm, .300win, .460 wby, .270 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
