BowNut Report post Posted October 24, 2006 What would you all think if Game and Fish was to start making bowhunters do a proficiency test to bow hunt in AZ. Like say 4 outa 5 arrows in a pie plate at 30 to 40 yards for example. I know what I think but wanted to here from you all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azcouesandelk Report post Posted October 24, 2006 I think it would limit the number of lost game. I think it would be a good idea but I am not sure if very many people will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobbyo Report post Posted October 24, 2006 First if you do it for archery, you need to do it for rifle , muzzleloader ect. Why does everyone feel that archery needs extra regulations? I am always sensitive when archery is portrayed as being less ethical then say rifle hunting. Is there more animals wounded and unrecovered in archery? Maybe. Does anyone know for sure? No. Second I don't think it will help much. There is a big difference from shooting at a target and shooting at a real live animal. Bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowsniper Report post Posted October 24, 2006 First if you do it for archery, you need to do it for rifle , muzzleloader ect. Bob Right on Bob! In fact, the gun hunters might blast me for this, but maybe it would even be more important for a gun hunter to be checked out and qualified than a bowhunter. I think that it would be easier for some yahoo to grab a gun and "go hunting" that it would be for him to grab a bow and go hunting. Mark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missedagain Report post Posted October 24, 2006 We don't need any more regulation on hunting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mulie hunter Report post Posted October 24, 2006 First if you do it for archery, you need to do it for rifle , muzzleloader ect. Bob Right on Bob! In fact, the gun hunters might blast me for this, but maybe it would even be more important for a gun hunter to be checked out and qualified than a bowhunter. I think that it would be easier for some yahoo to grab a gun and "go hunting" that it would be for him to grab a bow and go hunting. Mark You two guys are right on the money!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redman Report post Posted October 25, 2006 What would you all think if Game and Fish was to start making bowhunters do a proficiency test to bow hunt in AZ. Like say 4 outa 5 arrows in a pie plate at 30 to 40 yards for example. I know what I think but wanted to here from you all. That is a terrible idea and holds no merit. Hunting situations are TOTALLY different than shooting a pie at 40 yds, now maybe if the game and fish should require a archery safety and ethics course (on-line or in person) my opinion would be different. Its funny people brag about a 350-500 yds shot with a rifle and few seem to mind. I would bet more animals are lost during rifle season that archery season. Redman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KGAINES Report post Posted October 25, 2006 I can see it now, game warden pulls you over checks your weapon, bow sets up a target at 20 yards, rifle a target at 100 yards, muzzleloader target at 75 yards, hit the target and keep your tag, miss and go home. I for one don't want that. A lot of hunting is passing on good information and trial and error while in the field hopefully less error. Practice will make you more proficiant at anything you do, a person who doesn't practice at all is probably going to miss completely or never get a shot. I think it is better for us to point out these mistakes and give sound advice so these people get better at hunting. The more regulations and barriers that are put in front of hunters is going to cause more people to turn away, probably more kids than anything since they might think it is to much of a hassle to get the chance to hunt, and people that are breaking the laws while hunting need to be cited and punished as the crime dictates. While we need people that can learn and become good hunters we don't need people that do stupid things and give all hunters a bad name. Just like in any aspect of any sport 1000 times something can be done right and nobody hears about it, but just once something stupid is done and everyone knows. Good Luck and God Bless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhunter4life Report post Posted October 25, 2006 maybe they should add it to the hunter saftey class ??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted October 25, 2006 We don't need any more regulation on hunting RIGHT ON! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mulie hunter Report post Posted October 25, 2006 maybe they should add it to the hunter saftey class ??? I took hunter Education with the bow hunter portion, some of the guys on range day couldn't hit the target at 20 yards, still got their card, they need a training class!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ultramag Report post Posted October 25, 2006 If some bowhunters or rifle hunters could just practice and use common sense we would not need it.In this world common sense is lost forever its a diying thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhunter4life Report post Posted October 25, 2006 If some bowhunters or rifle hunters could just practice and use common sense we would not need it.In this world common sense is lost forever its a diying thing. that is true, also the, " one weekend year hunter comes out, " "wipes off the dust off granddads trusty 30-06 grabs the same box of shells from 1988, which still has 9 shells left out of 20. arrives at camp, sets up in the dark . wakes up hearing shooting all around. stumbles out into the field. sees a buck running across the hill. sends a few shots out" the buck was really 600 yards away " comes back to camp tells his hunting buddies about the big buck that got away and the drinkin starts. I think that is about 30% of our hunter out there. oh ya we have the same with archers too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BowNut Report post Posted October 25, 2006 WOW! The reason I posted this is we have had this come up many many times at the range. I spend a LOT of time there to learn to to shoot the best I can. Then 2 to 3 weeks before archery season comes along the range is flooded with "Bowhunters" that are flinging arrows way past the yardage they should be shooting. Now with that said . I do not thing that we should have to pass a shooting test I just asked the question. It would be a wonderful world if everyone could make a perfect shot everytime but it just can not happen. But I do believe there should be some way to educate people rifle or bow. I just wish I had the answer but I don"t that is why I was asking the question. The reason I do not think a shooting test works is because I have seen some great shooters hit the X's at 80 yards and turn around and miss elk and deer at 20 yards. Its just not the same! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueshunter84 Report post Posted October 25, 2006 WOW, huge can of worms on this one. I dont find anything wrong with having to have a Hunters Safety card to get a license. And a bow portion for archery, etc. If there is a profeciency test involved with the course I would not be afraid. Even though "hunting situations" and "target shooting" are definately different. Logic moves tword, if you cant hit a target in ideal situations your not going to be able to shoot any better with your heart jumping out of your chest, the wind blowing, shooting 45 degrees down hill, at a 110" coues. I hunted IN Montana several years ago, and to get my " archery stamp" I had to produce evidence that I had hunted archery before ( an AZ archery elk tag sufficed ( already used of course )) or a bowhunters safety card. I have no problems with either of those scenarios. For any hunter; archery, rifle, smokepole, spear etc. I would feel a little more comfortable out in the field if I knew everyone else out there hunting had at least attended a safety course. And again not everyone will take anything away from such a class, but most will. Which in turn would theoretically make things safer for everyone else out there. Along those lines, My oldest daughters (12 y/o) decision to hunt with a recurve put me into the same basic scenario. And she was tasked with being able to hit a target at a specific distance before she was able to take her bow out to hunt with. I held my ground on that point, with the thought process that I did not want to set her up to fail. If she was not able to hit a target then the odds of her hitting vitals were exponentially low, and I did not want her to have to live with not being able to find an animal that she put an arrow into due to bad shot placement. Now with hunting, the odds of a not so good shot are always there (compound that with adding archery and again by adding traditional equipment), and it will happen to all of us at some point. But to go out asking for it due to not being able to shoot well, was not something I was willing to do. When the time came for her to hunt I was comfortable with knowing if she had made a bad shot it would have been due to something other then her shooting and confidence if her equipment. Turns out she never had a shot because the "guide" let her down and was not able to find any pigs for her to shoot at. This year she has extended her range well past what Dad requires of her. hopefully this year I can put her on some. I will be applying the same rules to rest of my kids who wish to hunt, with whatever weapon. My #2 daughter will hopefully have a general season javalina tag. She will be using my .223, and she will have to prove her shooting abilities with that weapon prior to being able to hunt with it. She knows and understands that. But she loves to go out shooting, and right now is hitting well out to 150 yards with it so the final " test" at 100 yards should be a no brainer. And at this point with the "guide" being able to control when she shoots or does not ( if a tag arrives in the mail) this should be a good season. I cant wait. Hopefully we will get turkey tags also. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
