what sucks more

[WFGinNM]

e scouters... at least road hunters are out there in the hills looking!!

e-Scouters. They come too sites like this,everybody gives them information on where to go after I just spent a weekend in my truck beatin the heck out of it with all the wear and tear on tires , big money in gas and all the money spent at the map store just to scout out areas. After finding agood area I will be hunting opening morning I come home , flip on the computer and there is somebody else telling a E-SCOUTER EXACTLY WHERE I WILL BE OPENING MORNING. After getting home late on a Sunday night with all the money and effort it is a lot frustrating.

 

 

I'm new to coues hunting, do have some questions but completely understand how it is to scout, learn and hunt an area for years, put in your time and have someone else tell folks where to hunt just so it seems like they know what they are talking about. I try to not ask questions about where to hunt, when I head down to hunt this year I just hope that I don't step on anyones toes. More so I'd hate to invade someone from this sites hunt.

I have a friend up here that I used to hunt with, we have gone seperate ways without conflict, I've just started spending more time hunting with my 13 year old son. Well my "Friend" has been taking his dad's friends to places I've shown him over the years. Is it public... yes. Is he allowed to hunt there... yes. Did he put in any leg work to scout these areas... heck no. Just wants to be Bwana.

That said if anyone needs help here in the Jemez mountains I'd be glad to help... but it will be private.

 

--Bill

[DesertBull]

well i dont road hunt but my father in law is handicapped and he refuses to put in for an easier hunt he says he will hunt whitetail as long as im going to hunt whitetail. stuborn. anyways I go with him on his hunt he cant walk very far due to health not because he doesnt want to so this puts a tremendous amount of stress on my trying to locate a buck withtin his range I am not used to hunting so close to the road so if you see us out there please dont criticise a little help would be nice or just stop and have a beer . unit 31 red chevy silverado ext cab and two four wheelers

 

 

Good luck, I hope you find one.

You and your dad-in-law are not the problem with road hunters. There is a 180 degree difference between needing to hunt from the vehicle and "just too dang lazy to leave the truck".

 

One of the biggest things that bothers me about road hunters, is that there were alot of hunters who were willing to work hard that would love to have a tag but didn't get lucky in the draw. Like ME!

[Idahocoueshunter]

I haven't had to deal with e-scouters much, but I have had some run ins with road hunters. I am an avid archery hunter for elk. I killed a nice bull and took it to our local October Fest, which includes a big horn contest. I took third. Both bulls were taken on the last day of the rifle season, both from the road. These folks were bragging on the fact that they didn't have to work for the bulls and loaded them whole. Road hunting is fine for the ones who can't hike the hills anymore, for reasons beyond their control. But road hunting because you're too lazy or ingested too many twinkies over the years is a whole different story. I'm trying to teach my son that ethics used in killing an animal if far greater than the animial itself. Good luck to all the tag holders in October and November, I'm waiting to hear some stories.

 

 

Craig.

[hunt4horns]

well i dont road hunt but my father in law is handicapped and he refuses to put in for an easier hunt he says he will hunt whitetail as long as im going to hunt whitetail. stuborn. anyways I go with him on his hunt he cant walk very far due to health not because he doesnt want to so this puts a tremendous amount of stress on my trying to locate a buck withtin his range I am not used to hunting so close to the road so if you see us out there please dont criticise a little help would be nice or just stop and have a beer . unit 31 red chevy silverado ext cab and two four wheelers

He bud you kind of guy's aren't what we're talking about. I'm sure I'll be in that situation some day. Good luck with your hunt ........

[firstcoueswas80]

had a couple guys last year that made me laugh. biggest road hunters i have ever seen. it was a unit 7e cow hunt, the old man driving was prolly in his 70's and the two guys in the truck ( with their guns) were in their 30-40's i dont blame the old man but those other guys should be out there hiking the hills! they woulc creep along the roads at about 2-5 miles per hour with their head on a swivel. saw em everyday, they at least would let us by.

[ghost hunter]

I thought about this topic all day.

 

Sadly, there has been a documented decline in the work ethic in our country over the last couple of decades and I think that road hunters and e-scouters are the end result of that bigger problem. They will tell you that they are "trying to hunt smarter not harder" and that technology, be it a computer, a quad, or a slow moving Chevy are tools to be used. I have to call BS on that. They are just looking for the easy way, for people to do the work for them so that they can reap the benefits of others labor. Asking for help is one thing, but the "I've never hunted that unit before and need to know where there are lots of bucks" is another. Yes, we can ignore them, but almost always, someone will POST an answer. If you feel generous and want to give info, do it in a PM. But remember the old principle about GIVING a person something verses TEACHING a person something.

 

Before I get the quad riders all riled up, I'm talking about the ones who ride irresponsibly, off the road and actually hunt/shot from their quads. Riding them responsibly, to/from camp is what they are intended for.

 

I've seen both at their worst. I've had people splash the latest "hot spot" all over the cyber world and on opening weekend had several dozen (at least 65 of 200 permits) all hunting in a 5 square mile area of where I had been scouting. I've also seen a surburban creeping down the road during the archery season with all four doors propped open with bows and arrows at the ready for a quick shot.

 

Which is worse?...I don't know, but I'll get off the rant now.

 

By the way, people who still love to hunt and be outdoors but can't get around as well as they used to, ARE NOT the road hunters we all loath.

[Dan H]

I think this topic came up last year also.

Unfortunately,..Road hunters will never go away with all the people moving here and hunting now.

For them it's all the luck of seeing a deer with open eye sight close enough from the road to shoot at.

 

Majority of them won't see shoot and when they do they will shoot at any thing with antlers.

Thats sad to cause I have heard as many as 8 rounds fired spontaneuosly at deer from 2 or more hunters from the same vehicle. That is not hunting when everyone with a tag opens fire on a single deer.

 

And they probably don''t go to see if they wounded their deer if it appeared to keep on running.

 

Sometimes you can hike into an area and use them as an advantage glassing. By placing yourself a few miles in between roads. Road hunters will never see as many as a glasser driving around.

 

I use a quad or my jeep to get me into areas without beatin my F-350 up, but I don't consider myself a road hunter preseason scoutin I glass a lot from the quad/jeep off of a road side.

 

Sometimes I have wished my quad had a remote door opener I could push like my truck cause it is hard to find at nite when returning.

 

This weekend I will be road hunting. My jeep will be parked off the highway between the last dirt road and a major Az lake, from there I will blaze it straight up and over a few hills to see what all the road hunters push.

 

No Tag for me this year that really sucks.

 

Dan

[TAM]

I don't road hunt myself, or hunt in the vacinity of roads, so for me I kind of feel like they're doing me a favor. First of all it's less competition in my hunting spots off the roads, and second they will push the animals away from the roads which happens to be where I'm hunting. To me road hunters are a good thing!

 

Now a lot of you seem to not like e-scouters as well, but most e-scouters are road hunters or close to it and we already know that they're helping us not hurting us.

 

So what's the big deal? Road hunters and e-scouters? Who cares, they're like dung beatles............ someone's got to eat the $hit!

[mzlloader]

DanH

 

I have a ATV alarm on mine its great for just what your talking about, It comes with a remote, that will make your lites flash on and off when you set or unset the alarm, www.atvalarm.com

 

 

R L

[Dan H]

Allright thanks mzlldr.

Wife gets pretty bummed when we walk up a road and have to turn around and go back the other way constantly shining the flashlights all over to find it.

Dan

[hunter4life]

I am with TAM on this one. I am usually so many miles from the road that I never even see a road hunter other than when I am driving out. They can drive the roads all day and it doesn't bother me in the least. I think more people should take up road hunting, so I will run into even fewer people in the backcountry. Although the one bad thing about road hunters is that they end up drawing tags that people like many of us on this site could put to better use.

[DEERSLAM]

I'm with TAM and hunter4life on this one. I don't usually see any road hunters because I hunt as far from roads as possible. Here in CA I usually hunt designated Wilderness areas, horse or foot travel only.

[sophie]

Road hunters and e-scouters (I had to read on for a while till I could figure out what an e-scouter was) don't deserve our scorn. They deserve our pity. I don't care if somebody is scooting around at a snails pace to try to find game. Long as they pull over to let me by. But if I give em a second thought it is to pity them because they don't get to see what I do. Their wilderness experiences are somewhat pale. That nice buck is the cherry on top of the total experience.

[azyoung]

I always thought it would be fun to screw with the road hunters by putting a McKenzie archery deer target next to the road and sit back and watch the idiots’ trip over themselves trying to get out and get a shot.

 

azyoung

[ichiban43]

Ya know--who among us would pass up a nice buck while we were headed to who knows where. The definition or "road hunting" is so vague. I drive slow on primative roads so as not to tear my truck up. So that makes me a criminal--BS!!!

E-Scouting--this is the age of technology--I say go get any info you can--yeh--put your boots on the ground--but it doesn't hurt to ask anyone for a starting point. Some people are newbies--and maybe young with a family and can't afford to spend $$$$ driving around in dry holes. It is up to the knowedgable to steer these people in the right direction--so that they won't give up the sport--and PETA and the others wind up the winners. Share the wealth guys, in order to perpetuate our heritage.