Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 24, 2013 Great job of getting that video for me....thanks. Now, where is there any documentation as to whether the Mexican Gray Wolf is of true blood line or if it is a cross breed and not true Mexican Gray wolf. I have heard it is just a mix breed but need some kind of documentation that can be referenced. Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLW Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Great job of getting that video for me....thanks. Now, where is there any documentation as to whether the Mexican Gray Wolf is of true blood line or if it is a cross breed and not true Mexican Gray wolf. I have heard it is just a mix breed but need some kind of documentation that can be referenced. Jeff sift through some of the past forums about the wolves... Lark aka .270 was a wealth of knowledge on this subject and I kinda remember a post on this or it was talked about in 1 of the posts. dang I miss that dude! James 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muledeerarea33? Report post Posted September 25, 2013 I remember when they first brought them up the mountain. They stopped for gas and we all went out to look into the cages in the back of the trucks. all I'll say is if the first wolves they brought up are pure bread mexican gray, they sure didnt look like any past pictures I'd ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Great job of getting that video for me....thanks. Now, where is there any documentation as to whether the Mexican Gray Wolf is of true blood line or if it is a cross breed and not true Mexican Gray wolf. I have heard it is just a mix breed but need some kind of documentation that can be referenced. Jeff sift through some of the past forums about the wolves... Lark aka .270 was a wealth of knowledge on this subject and I kinda remember a post on this or it was talked about in 1 of the posts. dang I miss that dude! James I have started that sifting process as I recall that discussion as well....I just am not very good at sifting.......I miss Lark as well.............he had alot of good stuff............... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted September 25, 2013 Great job of getting that video for me....thanks. Now, where is there any documentation as to whether the Mexican Gray Wolf is of true blood line or if it is a cross breed and not true Mexican Gray wolf. I have heard it is just a mix breed but need some kind of documentation that can be referenced. Jeff Jeff, Rather than rely on misleading rumors, do yourself a favor and research the subject on your own. Here's a good place to start in regards to the "bloodlines." The section that begins on pg. 24 is quite pertinent. http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/pdf/Mexican_Wolf_RP_1982.pdf And this link provides all sorts of info on the reintroduction. http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/documents.cfm 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 26, 2013 Great job of getting that video for me....thanks. Now, where is there any documentation as to whether the Mexican Gray Wolf is of true blood line or if it is a cross breed and not true Mexican Gray wolf. I have heard it is just a mix breed but need some kind of documentation that can be referenced. Jeff Jeff, Rather than rely on misleading rumors, do yourself a favor and research the subject on your own. Here's a good place to start in regards to the "bloodlines." The section that begins on pg. 24 is quite pertinent. http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/pdf/Mexican_Wolf_RP_1982.pdf And this link provides all sorts of info on the reintroduction. http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/mexicanwolf/documents.cfm Thanks Tony, I wasn't looking for rumors, documentation which you have provided links. I always get caught between who is writing the article and what angle they are trying to promote. I appreciate the lead on wolf info. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 26, 2013 Double thanks Tony, I would never have found that info..........I appreciate it. Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flatlander Report post Posted September 26, 2013 So what you are saying is if AF0005 would have been hit by a car, this whole thing would have been over with . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Outdoor Writer Report post Posted September 26, 2013 Double thanks Tony, I would never have found that info..........I appreciate it.Jeff Here's a bit more that might help: Two males and one pregnant female captured in the wild in Mexico from 1977 to 1980 and the uncaptured mate of the pregnant female founded the certified captive population of Mexican wolves. In 1995, the Mexican Wolf Recovery Team approved the addition of two other captive Mexican wolf lineages, representing four additional founders, into the certified population, based on state-of-the-art genetic analysis. One is known as the Ghost Ranch lineage, some of which were kept and bred at the Ghost Ranch Living Museum in northern New Mexico; the other is the Aragon lineage based at the Aragon Zoo in Mexico City. As of March, 1996, the total certified captive population in the three lineages stood at 139 animals; 114 are held at 24 facilities, mostly zoos and wildlife sanctuaries, in the United States and 25 are held at five facilities in Mexico. The FWS also has a captive population management facility on the Sevilleta National Wildlife Refuge in central New Mexico to hold surplus wolves from the other facilities (USFWS 1994a). These surplus animals would be the potential release stock if the FWS undertakes the proposed reintroduction effort. The Mexican Wolf Recovery Program All Mexican wolves to be released will come from the captive population, which now numbers 114 animals maintained in 24 zoos and wildlife sanctuaries in the United States. The Mexican Wolf Species Survival Plan (SSP) Management Group, made up of representatives from those facilities, coordinates the population’s management. Cooperation also occurs with the managers of a smaller population in Mexican zoos. The wolves have exhibited no major genetic, physical, or behavioral problems affecting their fitness resulting from captivity (Siminski 1994a, see Appendix K - Fish and Wildlife Service Response to Dennis Parker’s Comment on the DEIS). The SSP Management Group has paired the certified population for maximum breeding potential every breeding season since 1990 (Siminski 1994b). Also, the FWS has undertaken genetic analysis of two other captive lineages. In 1995, the Mexican Wolf Recovery Team found these other two lineages to be pure Mexican wolves and recommended that they be added to the certified Mexican wolf population, to enhance its genetic diversity as well as its size. The SSP Management Group’s goal of having at least 100 certified animals in the U.S. captive population prior to a reintroduction effort has been exceeded. The population is ready to support a reintroduction effort. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites