2004 bow face offs

[dave]

I have been testing my hoyt for a couple years. It is a good thing for everyone to test there hoyt from time to time.

I shot it for two years with a 6" brace height. I thought I would try to increase the brace a little and see what happens.

I have a custom shoot-through riser set up as an ultratec. All the geometry was the same except we moved the limbs forward/handle back to change the brace from 7" to 6". With my draw length it also alowed me to go from a #7 spiral to a #8 spiral. The bow shoots really well but the shooter kinda sucks. It would be the same as creating a supertec with a 37" axle to axle and gaining a tad of draw length from the longer axle to axle. This was done with the XT2000 limbs.

Since I got bored with that, I decided to try to increase the brace height to see if the sucky shooter could get better.

Put some XT3000 limbs on it today. Ended up with an axle to axle of 40-1/4" and a brace height of 6-3/4".

I am pleased with the way the geometry worked out. I did lose 7 fps. by making the change. As a hard-core speed idiot, I had hoped to keep it a little closer than that.

 

My specs with the XT2000 limbs were:

60lbs.

369gr. arrow

293fps.

 

My specs with the XT3000 limbs are:

60lbs.

369gr. arrow

286fps.

 

Both these studies were done with a peep with the rubber tube. This takes about 5fps off a non-tube peep.

 

286 FPS is a good speed to shoot fixed blade broadheads.

 

I have shot 350gr. arrows out of this bow at over 337 fps.

 

Speed does not = accuracy. Fixed blades work.

 

Now, if I can just get close enough to something to make a shot

[dave]

No one challenged me so I guess it is not a face-off

[BowNut]

No one challenged me so I guess it is not a face-off

Hey Dave

How did you move the limbs forward and the handle back? Got Pic's? I would like to see it i have never seen a 60# bow that puts out 80+ lbs. of KE. You should work for Hoyt

[dave]

When I figure how to make the pic small enough, I may be able to send one. Not sure where you came up with 80 KE? I shoot it at 60lbs., I have shot it at 70+. But go ahead and lets match anything you got. Apples for apples. I can shoot any arrow 28" long or longer out of this dinosore. Hoyt cant afford me, or to make a bow like this Dino Sorus I just wish I could shoot it well.

[missedagain]

Sounds like you got yourself a pretty custom set-up.

Do you use this bow more for target or hunting? It seems that the stability of the longer ax to ax you are getting would be offset by that short of a brace height for a target bow.

If you use this bow more for hunting, how do you like the shoot through riser? Never shot one like that but have seen a couple around and man do they look "special".

I am a little suprised that someone that puts that much time into their bow is willing to put up with peep tubing.

 

p.s. I was really impressed with that training regimen you had posted a while back, are you sticking with it?

[BowNut]

70#of KE sorry I was not looking were I was typing.

If you want I will PM you my e-mail and resize your pics for you?

 

But go ahead and lets match anything you got. Apples for apples.

 

Sorry this is all I got

Hoyt Trycon

60#

318gr. arrow

294 fps

28.5 in draw

[azpackhorse]

Here's my setup

 

Bowtech Allegiance

 

30" draw

pulling 72#

shooting 28.5" Radial Weave "Predator 300" (8.6 gpi)

total arrow weight= 386gr

chrono'd @315fps

 

I had to go with a peep alignment tube also.

I really like this setup, once I got the let-off adjusted. It had way too much valley, I prefer it to just top over with a nice solid wall, not much valley. This thing is like a primed race horse, if you don't keep constant pressure on it it'll take off. I think this has made me a better shooter.

 

I went with the Trophy Ridge "theme" when I accessorized. TR Matrix sights with 30-70yd pins. TR drop zone rest, and TR quiver. I shoot with a Scott "wolf" release (single caliper jaw).

[dave]

Bownut, I sent you a PM.

I will get back with you guys when I get home from work.

 

66lbs.

350 gr. arrow

320 fps.

[dave]

missedagain,

I have not hunted with the bow yet but plan on it. The only targets I really shoot are 3D other than practice and sighting in. When BowNut posts the pictures you will see it has target limbs on it now. It is hard to find camo in XT3000. My XT2000 limbs are camo. The shoot through riser is excellent for hunting. The first one I had around 24 years ago had the sight pins in the riser protected totally and a rest that you could pull the bow side ways and when you turned it vertical the arrow would slide down and center itself. I did a fair amount of crawling for antelope with it. Held it in my left hand with the string turned away from me and used it as a foot for that hand. The sight and rest were protected. I load it from the front. You get pretty good at it after a while. Started out trying to load it from the rear and soon found out that broadheads and bow strings don't mix. I don't want to talk about peep tubing, I hate it but I use it.

Although it may sound custom, I can use the Hoyt tune charts and order my strings and cables knowing exactly what I will need and end up with.

Yep, still sticking with the program. I am up to 17-1/2 yards and a 4" circle. Have made a lot of improvement but still have a long ways to go.

 

azpackhorse,

Sounds like you have a great set-up. The spiral cams also have a very short valley and a hard wall. If you creep just a tad, it will take it back. It does discipline you to shoot against the wall.

[BowNut]

Here ya go. Nice bow dave

[bobbyo]

Beautiful riser Dave. That brings me back to the 80 's. Centershot is obviously not a problem. I don't understand how you increased the brace height without changing the geometry. How did you move limbs forward/handleback? Did Hoyt make the riser for you or did you design it yourself? I really like that shoot through riser.

Bob

[dave]

Thanks BowNut. I think I finally figgered it out.

[dave]

"Beautiful riser Dave. That brings me back to the 80 's. Centershot is obviously not a problem. I don't understand how you increased the brace height without changing the geometry. How did you move limbs forward/handleback? Did Hoyt make the riser for you or did you design it yourself? I really like that shoot through riser.

Bob"

 

My friend here in Tucson has been carving these shoot throughs for many years. We got together and ciphered what we wanted to do. Originally, we used the XT2000 limbs and the same geometry as the Ultratec as far as the axle to axle was 37", limb angle was the same etc.. In the shape of the riser we moved the handle back thus reducing the brace height from 7" to 6". All the other measurements stayed the same. Normally on a 2004 Ultratec with a 30.5" draw using spiral cams you would use a #7 cam. Since the brace height was an inch shorter in effect we had reduced the draw length to 29.5". This allowed me to use a #8 spiral cam to gain back the 1" and return the draw length to 30.5" using the longest power stroke cam Hoyt made. I don't think there is anything in the USA that will touch it that I am aware of.

When I dorked around and put the XT3000 limbs on it what happened is that those limbs are 1-1/2" longer each and increased the axle to axle 3 inches and the brace height from 6 to 6-3/4". I also had to change the cam and go back to the #7 or the draw length would have been 31.5". I would like to shoot it for a while and see how I like it. I may go back to the XT2000 limbs and the #8 cam.

 

The recoil and hand shock is noticable and I have been thinking hard about getting one of those new Vectrix xl's. The bad thing about that is I believe if I ever started shooting one, I would never be able to shoot this bow again.

[bobbyo]

Dave if the handshock is still too much you might want to sacrifice fps and get softer cams. I don't really know hoyts, but they must make a cam that is more friendly . That bow is too unique and beautiful to be replaced by something off the rack.

Bob

[BowNut]

Dave I will let you shoot my new Vectix Xl when it come in if you can shoot 28.5 in draw.