TREESTANDMAN Report post Posted June 17, 2004 I've thought about it but I'm not sure if the pellets would penetrate? The ammo sure is a lot cheaper though. Never could hit nothin w/ a sling shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TREESTANDMAN Report post Posted June 17, 2004 Hey Ernesto, You mentioned you harvested a deer last year? Did you post it on the photo page? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ernesto C Report post Posted June 17, 2004 Yes I think is in page 10 or 11,had to narrow the picture a lot because the size of the antlers will not fit in the camera view finder Hahahaa Ernesto C. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TREESTANDMAN Report post Posted June 17, 2004 He's not too bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azshooter Report post Posted June 26, 2004 The question of what caliber to use is up to the individual. Have been hunting coues for over 20 yrs. During that time I have evolved through several rifles and calibers. I often ponder the perfect long range coues rifle. For me it has boiled down to having at least two rlfles depending on the situation. A fairly light but powerful rifle would be my recommendation for a one rifle hunter. My fav is a short action Ruger M77 chambered in 284 win. It weighs 7 3/4 lbs with the 3-9 leupold. Uses 140 ballistic tips at 3100. It is chosen if there is a great deal of hiking involved. The other while not much heavier (9 lbs) is usually used for glassing, ranging and shooting from one location. It is a 7 mag which shoots moly coated 120 ballistic tips going 3575. It always is carried with the longests S series Harris Bi-pod attached. It sports a 2.5-10 scope. As a sidenote many one shot kills have been accomplished at distances in the 350-450 yd range using a scope with max magnification of 9 or 10. Tried some higher power scopes with adj obj lens and things can get too complicated especially with time constraints. Naturally the search continues. This year a 6.5-284 and a 270 weatherby are being built. If they prove to be accurate enough they may be used. The 6.5 would be the hiking rifle and the 270 the glassing. May even consider using a 6.5-20 vari XIII on the 270W. To summarize, I believe the 6mms to be a bit too light for most instances. On the other end the 30s and up are a bit too much in the recoil department for deer. It would seem, so far, that the 7 mms get the nod. While the 7 STW is a good one the 7 mag may be the most useful rifle chambering for this type of hunting. It is a good mix of power vs recoil vs weight. Just discovered this site thanks to Diamondback. Very useful imformation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coues addict Report post Posted June 26, 2004 Azshooter Welcome to the site. I hope you find it as fun and useful as I do. It sounds like you have been tweaking for a while. You should check out the hunt stories and the rifle hunting pictures in the main C.W.T. site . Amanda really does a great job with it. Again welcome and good luck in this years draw.Coues Addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ernesto C Report post Posted June 26, 2004 Azshooter welcome to the coolest hunting site in the world and thanks for sharing your experience with us,we are glad to have you here. Yes there are several calibers that will do the job on a coues. Please share some of your adventures with us we'll be happy to hear them. God bless you and again,welcome Ernesto C. P.S. Hey do you have any pictures to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted June 26, 2004 Welcome AZ Shooter! Have you considered building a 6.5 WSM? I think this would be a great coues cartridge. I am toying with the idea of having a 270 or 300 WSM rebarrelled when Winchester releases their Model 70 Supergrades in WSMs. When looking at ballistic tables, I have noticed that the slower, heavier bullets gain in wind drift about what they lose in drop to the faster, lighter bullet out of the same gun. Since I think it is harder to judge the wind than the distance (with the advent of laser rangefinders), I think I would choose a heavier bullet with a higher B.C. Doug/RedRabbit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azshooter Report post Posted June 26, 2004 Thanks for welcoming me everyone. Also thanks for saying that you hope I get drawn. Remember the days when you could buy a second left over wt tag? The WSMs are great but they don't lend themselves to rebarreing your old rifle. They are chubby and have the potential to not feed properly. Buying an existing WSM and then rebarreling is certainly the way to go. Another thing is not all gunsmiths have those reamers. I try to use the older and more popular rounds. I have compared the light super fast bullet vs the heavier retained momentum bullet for quite a while. If you crunch the numbers on ballistic programs, usually the heavier bullets are better at long range with less wind drift, but not much. The flatness of the trajectory is more important to me so choose to use the lighter bullets going mach 3.5 The smaller bullets open up better at the longer distances too. There are those moments that just don't allow you to think and range the distances. It is nice to have a lpoint blank range waaaay out there. If a person were to go with heavier bullets a leupold that had several stadia added by premier reticles would be a must. (They only do Leupolds.) If I were to do it I would have stadia added in 3 MOA increments with the scope on Max magnification. Haven't done that yet but do use the point of the "plex" as my second hold over aiming point. The plex point of 3-9 vari X IIs are exactly 3 MOA when the scope is on 9x. Another scope a bushnell elite 4200 2.5-10 adds 4 MOA when on 10 power. Just incase some readers don't know: The MOA size will vary with the magnification setting. As many of you probably know Burris has a ballistic plex system. I have a 4-16 signature. It isn't bad system but you must have it on the correct magnification. I tried it one of my 7 mags and was excited about it. Then I discovered the eye relief was very short and if it was taken to the field a kaibab eye would certainly result. It is on a tricked out Ruger 10-22 and the system is perfect for shooting ground squirrels in Mt at long distances. All hash marks, both vertical and horizontal, are used as holdovers. No charts or drop or windage are necessary because you can see the bullets hit when you miss and can adjust. ----Ross Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coues addict Report post Posted June 26, 2004 (edited) Doug/Red Rabbit Man you got me drooling over that gun you were talking to azshooter about. I am not sold on the short mags at all,but I really love winchester mod 70`s in super grade. I would buy one in .300 win mag if I could . I bought one ten years ago in .338 win. mag. for elk and I really love it. The only thing is that soon as I get a new gun , it seems like I cannot draw a tag. Maybe this year I will get lucky on the draw since I put in first choice for archery.Yes I really like super grades and they shoot good and hold their value real well. they are soooh purty though that I guess I will just stick to my trusty old M77 .270 with the beat up stock. I don`t know about you guys but I cannot hunt Coues deer without falling on my butt at least two or three times every season. Sometimes two or three times in a day! I guess those little softball size rocks just keep sneeking up on me. I don`t know maybe I am just getting old. Man now I really want a new super grade. Dang, Red Rabbit, why did you have to bring that up anyway! Good luck on the draw Coues Addict Edited January 1, 1970 by coues addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
25-06 Report post Posted June 26, 2004 I will use my RUGER M77 25-06, it has a bull barrel and a LEUPOLD 3X9 VARI X II. Perfect combination. It too has a weathered stock because it has been all over coues country,But I would not trade it for the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted June 27, 2004 Coues Addict, I bought a Supergrade in 300 winnie about 5 years ago. It is choosy to its diet, but for factory loads, it shoots 5-shot moa with Hornady Heavy Mag 180 gr SP, and 1.5" ave with Federal Classic (3-shot). For Handloads, it likes 168 Sierra Match Kings, and Nosler CT 180 gr partitions. Those 168 MKHPs could be good coues medicine. Took it to Colorado once for an elk hunt, but no bulls to be seen. It has better than average wood for a supergrade, and I have had it pillar bedded and then glass bedded. Doug/RedRabbit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coues addict Report post Posted June 27, 2004 Red Rabbit That sounds sweet, But I really wish you had not brought that up again, I was just wiping all the drool off my face. Oh man, now you got me thinkin again! Those things are really nice. I sure hope you get to use that thing this year. Coues Addict Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coueselk Report post Posted June 27, 2004 I'm a .270 fan myself. Have an old M77 in .270 Win. that I have used over the last 11 years. Thought it was time to upgrade, so last year I purchased a Winchester Model 70 Coyote in the .270WSM. It has a medium heavy barrel and shoots really nice, but also, it is heavy. Anyway, it is very picky on the load. For the last 5 months I have been working on a 130 gr load. Last weekend, I finally got a group to hold less than 1/2 inch with Nosler Ballistic Tips. Tried it again today and achieved a .38 inch group with 10 rounds. I had to go through 5 different powders, 4 different primers and numerous bullet seating depths to get to this point. It has been fun though. Got lots of practice shooting, so I'm ready to go this fall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
More D Report post Posted June 28, 2004 (edited) Coueselk, It takes time but man you ended up with a NICE tack driver, and all you had to do was spend alot of time at the range, dang IT! I have allways endend up with a Winchester so they have sweet spot in my heart, the supergrades are beautiful but if I got one it would probably end up a range queen. Azshooter, Great to have you here in our "little family group" Welcome. Feel free to share you stories and PICTURES! We love pictures. I did not know about the 3moa mark on the Leupold, Thanks! Great topic, interesting reading till results come out! Are they out yet?...........How bout now? Edited January 1, 1970 by More D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
