bowman Report post Posted August 4, 2013 Hi all, I just got drawn for a Muzzleloader whitetail hunt this year....I have been trying to educate myself on them as I have never used one before and know nothing at all about them... I am currently thinking of buying the Thompson Bone-collector.... The problem is I can't find any information on the loads or ballistic tables....I am familiar with reloading in the traditional manner and can not believe there is not a recipe book out there with common loads.....I must not be using the incorrect terminology or something.... Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted August 4, 2013 not ballistics but should help give idea about loads using different types of bullets / pellet selection /powder charge etc. http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/muzzleloading_manual_2008.pdf?CHECKBOX_1=on kinda funny the ole patch and round ball flys faster than most of them - Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redman Report post Posted August 4, 2013 The Bone Collector is a nice ML. I would recommend, CCI 209 Primer, 85 grains Blackhorn and 250 grain Barnez Spitfire. You will note there is "smokeless powder" (Blackhorn, Shockey) and there are pellets like White Hots etc. Go to Blackhorn's website and they will give you load data and ballistics. Good Luck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redman Report post Posted August 4, 2013 also note the difference between measurements of volume and weight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creed Report post Posted August 4, 2013 You need to be careful on the powders and use a black powder or black powder substitute. Smokeless powders are not legal. I was unsure of this and asked a WM friend about it. That is what he told me. R12-4-301 Muzzleloading rifle” means a firearm intended to befired from the shoulder, incapable of firing fixedammunition, having a single barrel and singlechamber, and loaded through the muzzle with blackpowder or synthetic black powder and a single projectile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildwoody Report post Posted August 4, 2013 i love my CVA optima mag Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowman Report post Posted August 4, 2013 Thanks for the information and your time I will try not to blow myself up in figuring this thing out :lol: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
123456 Report post Posted August 4, 2013 Triple 7 pellets are much easier to load/carry than loose powder IMO. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooter Report post Posted August 6, 2013 The T/C Triumph Bone Collector is serious deer medicine!!! As far as ballistic data... well, with Black Powder and substitutes it is really tough to get the same kind of consistent ballistic data from shot to shot that you do with a modern smokeless cartridge. You'll be seeing bigger swings in velocity at the muzzle due to the very nature of BP and its subs. You'll also want to "cold bore" that thing when you try to figure it out as BP guns have a tendency to vertically string witha dirty barrel after a few shots. It is possible to get data from the manufacturers in their test barrels- but better to just load up the chrono and hit the range. There are plenty of free apps for smart-phone calculators that show ballistics where you can plug in the muzzle velocity, temperature, elevation, wind, barrel length, scope height, etc... I use a CVA Wolf 209 Magnum and two IMR White Hot pellets behind T/C 240gr XTP Mag Express Sabots. For my "new" older percussion sidelock T/C Tree Hawk I intend to use 65gr Pyrodex P behind a 320gr T/C Maxi Ball. I haven't chrono'd either of those loads yet, I just know from experience that I can "cold bore" center punch a pie plate at 100yds with that CVA Wolf. Good luck and welcome to the addiction of BP hunting!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites