shanehamblin Report post Posted June 14, 2013 That's anywhere you decide to put them not just wilderness. Its called abandoned property. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted June 14, 2013 I do understand the abandoned property deal some but I know there is allot of grey there. I did get ahold of forest service and they said game cameras are not allowed in wilderness areas. I did read this somewhere but cannot find any written information on it, only the phone call gave me the answer. The ruffuges are written as restricted but not the wilderness. I have had my cameras up several times but they are so remote it would be 1 in a million for someone to run into them. I dont have any now and I guess I wont anymore. Not sure what it hurts but rules are rules. Would be nice for them to list this on the web site. It is actually difficult to get all the information needed when heading into the woods for anything. Full time job just leaning all the regs and rules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted June 14, 2013 Don't forget wilderness areas are off limits to cameras, I had an issuue in this area. So my cell phone would be off limits, because it has a camera built in it... I am guessing its the leaving it in the area deal at work. Funny though, I guess I better not set my video cam down or they might grab it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alpinebullwinkle Report post Posted June 28, 2013 So does anyone understand this thought process or justification why game cameras are considered illegal in wilderness areas? I do understand that the USFS has the desire to keep all us humans out of wilderness areas for some unknown reason also! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MULEPACKHUNTER Report post Posted June 28, 2013 I can't imagine there being a good reason not to allow cameras. I have been in almost all of the larger wilderness areas in az and rarely do I see any humans and have never seen forest service personel. The only sign I see are stupid cattle and signs of lazy outfitters or hunters or backpackers. Usually there are no footprints at all for months. For the workin man its too much work to use cameras in wilderness anyway so there's not a lot of arguments I'm sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhuntaz1 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 Where I hunt, there is a not very friendly forest service guy who makes people move their camp 10 feet to the left, cause they camped on some grass... Its true. Erensto was there to see it. The guy stated that you can not put cameras or tree stands or salt on wilderness. He states if you leave them on wilderness and he finds them he will take them. If you show up to claim them they write you a $150-$250 ticket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted June 28, 2013 Where I hunt, there is a not very friendly forest service guy who makes people move their camp 10 feet to the left, cause they camped on some grass... Its true. Erensto was there to see it. The guy stated that you can not put cameras or tree stands or salt on wilderness.He states if you leave them on wilderness and he finds them he will take them. If you show up to claim them they write you a $150-$250 ticket. that guy needs a girl friend 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhuntaz1 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 Where I hunt, there is a not very friendly forest service guy who makes people move their camp 10 feet to the left, cause they camped on some grass... Its true. Erensto was there to see it. The guy stated that you can not put cameras or tree stands or salt on wilderness.He states if you leave them on wilderness and he finds them he will take them. If you show up to claim them they write you a $150-$250 ticket. that guy needs a girl friend He has done this for the past 3 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLW Report post Posted June 28, 2013 Where I hunt, there is a not very friendly forest service guy who makes people move their camp 10 feet to the left, cause they camped on some grass... Its true. Erensto was there to see it. The guy stated that you can not put cameras or tree stands or salt on wilderness.He states if you leave them on wilderness and he finds them he will take them. If you show up to claim them they write you a $150-$250 ticket. that guy needs a girl friend He has done this for the past 3 years did you ask him to state the rule or code so it can be verified? I hate when they act like keeper of the forest! James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLW Report post Posted June 28, 2013 dam feds! http://www.wilderness.net/toolboxes/documents/geocaching/36cfr2.22.pdf http://www.wilderness.net/geocaching?print=yes § 2.22 Property. (a) The following are prohibited: (1) Abandoning property. (2) Leaving property unattended for longer than 24 hours, except in locations where longer time periods have been designated or in accordance with conditions established by the superintendent. James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rschaumb Report post Posted June 28, 2013 In the 13-14 Hunting regs, pg 96-98, it talks about National Wildlife Refuges, Wilderness Areas, BLM and NPS. In National Wildlife Refuges (listed pg 96) it says "3. Pits, permanent blinds and stands; trail or scouting cameras; and baiting are prohibited." Under Wilderness Areas it only mentions no motorized travel allowed. Under BLM it says the areas listed are open for hunting but the BLM and NPS lands within Grand Canyon - Parashant National Monument are open to hunting but some "NPS regulations differ from those of the BLM. These are...5. Shed antlers may not be collected or possessed while on NPS lands. 7. Feeding or baiting of wildlife is prohibited. 9. Property (including game cameras) cannot be left unatteneded longer than 24 hrs"...etc. It sounds to me like there is no over arching rule against game cams except for in the two mentioned areas. If it was illegal in wilderness areas it should be listed there under Wilderness Areas like it is specifically listed and banned under the National Wildlife Refuges and The Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument sections. That's my interpretation at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bowhuntaz1 Report post Posted June 28, 2013 I will ask him this year if I have the displeasure of seeing him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLW Report post Posted June 28, 2013 I will ask him this year if I have the displeasure of seeing him. same guy that gave you a hard time when you shot the buck in your avatar? James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JLW Report post Posted June 28, 2013 In the 13-14 Hunting regs, pg 96-98, it talks about National Wildlife Refuges, Wilderness Areas, BLM and NPS.In National Wildlife Refuges (listed pg 96) it says "3. Pits, permanent blinds and stands; trail or scouting cameras; and baiting are prohibited." Under Wilderness Areas it only mentions no motorized travel allowed. Under BLM it says the areas listed are open for hunting but the BLM and NPS lands within Grand Canyon - Parashant National Monument are open to hunting but some "NPS regulations differ from those of the BLM. These are...5. Shed antlers may not be collected or possessed while on NPS lands. 7. Feeding or baiting of wildlife is prohibited. 9. Property (including game cameras) cannot be left unatteneded longer than 24 hrs"...etc. It sounds to me like there is no over arching rule against game cams except for in the two mentioned areas. If it was illegal in wilderness areas it should be listed there under Wilderness Areas like it is specifically listed and banned under the National Wildlife Refuges and The Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument sections. That's my interpretation at least. just because it's not listed in the "REGS" doesn't mean it's ok check out this website. http://www.wilderness.net/search.htm?cx=011237615088348999715%3A-yw_czh5kz4&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&q=abandoned+property the feds seem to do what they want even if it means butting heads with state officials. I think there was a thread on baiting or something of that nature about some of the wilderness lands down south and they have laws about feeding the wildlife, period... this was before the new rule..... I think bowhuntaz1 had an encounter a couple seasons ago... ok maybe 3 years in a row... the FS LEO was giving him the business about a salt block or something.... some of the things in the "REGS" say to contact the land manager for further info. I know you aren't supposed to leave a stand or a blind.. after 24 hrs it is considered abandoned property on wilderness lands.. I would believe same holds true for trailcams...... the national forest also has rules about leaving property unattended for a certain amount of time maybe 72 hrs, I think. the regs say to contact the land manager for further restrictions and or regulations regarding these matters. when you make a brush blind... cutting on a live tree, illegal, screwing steps, camera boxes, bow hangers, gear hangers into a living tree... illegal. They probably get mad when the deer and elk make a game trail........ I can here it now... "WHO authorized this trail!" James Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
