Topic about corrupt AZGFD is pinned at the top of the page

[bonecollector777]

Hey guys, I think everything has been said that needs to so the moderator decided to lock the thread which is fine because there isn't really much more to be said. It can all still be read at the top of the campfire page. It is pinned there. I'm not writing this to start another thread about it. Simply letting you know because I had thought someone deleted it and I couldn't find it.

[ThomC]

Obviously, Mr B you want this topic to live on so YOU can get whatever YOU are trying get (my guess is "your pound of flesh"). The 0nly reason that I comment, is that the topic was closed after YOUR last post which had more than one MISTAKE.

[Jcubed]

I think that there is still a lot to say about the AZGFD post. All I will say about it is that there is no place for the kind of ad hominem abusive attacks that appeared in that thread. If you can't debate your position without attacking others then please don't bring up the topic.

 

Please see this link (#4 especially) to understand: http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/fallacies.htm

 

Further, Stanley and Amanda, since this is a family site I would like to see the AZGFD thread not pinned to the top of "The Campfire" page.

[deserttacoma84]

I think that there is still a lot to say about the AZGFD post. All I will say about it is that there is no place for the kind of ad hominem abusive attacks that appeared in that thread. If you can't debate your position without attacking others then please don't bring up the topic.

 

Please see this link (#4 especially) to understand: http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/fallacies.htm]http://www.olemiss.edu/courses/logic/fallacies.htm[/url]

 

Further, Stanley and Amanda, since this is a family site I would like to see the AZGFD thread not pinned to the top of "The Campfire" page.

 

+1 - there has been way too much personal attacking on this site as of late. If you would like to do that meet elsewhere.. like 24hourcampfire...

[couesmagnet]

I agree ThomC, Jcubed, and deserttacoma, enough gets to be enough at a certain point. I can only hope that everyone else on here is as perfect as they make themselves out to be at ALL times. Mistakes were made indeed, but those mistakes were granted to be made in this situation by their superiors. I hope "other" people on here never make their supposed first mistake in life, and have to hear the rumblings of the lynch mob coming for them with a rope. It's called being human!!! I bet the officers involved have a new appreciation for the concept of "being human" though. Dave Melde

[Shedhunteraz]

Obviously, Mr B you want this topic to live on so YOU can get whatever YOU are trying get (my guess is "your pound of flesh"). The 0nly reason that I comment, is that the topic was closed after YOUR last post which had more than one MISTAKE.

The funny aspect of this is Mr B. started it and responded to his own post 12 times in 9 pages. You can tell you are way to young and inmature son. Its not your battle to fight yet you have spent countless hours defending in was seems your post is all but correct. I don't know you I am sure you are a great kid. But seriously if you want to attack people or talk trash about some one, log on to your facebook or my space or what ever and blast one of your buddies. It doesn't belong on here.

[THE RIFLEMAN]

I THINK THEY SHOULD DELETE THE ENTIRE POST...

[bonecollector777]

Oh I definitely want this topic to live on. I want every hunter in AZ and the U.S. to hear about this BS that is happening here in AZ. There are a lot more responses of disgust of the AZGFD than of your few posts that try to seem like what they did is ok. Yeah people have been called names but if you go back and check you will see in every post I have ever made that no name calling started with me. Tough guys likes yourselves attempt to come to AZGFD's rescue by calling me a punk, wannabe, child, or whatever it may be and I answer back with how I feel about you. Seems pretty fair to me If you can dish it out you gotta be able to take it. It's funny to me that you few people see this as talking trash about someone. Apparently when laws are broken by corrupt people no one should bring it up or try and stop the corruption? What a horrible way of thinking. Sounds a lot like some things going on with the president right now. This thread should stay right where it is so all can see it and learn about the corrupt AZGFD. That was my only purpose in this post. To let people know about the corruption taking place. I knew it would get a lot of responses but I had no idea you AZGFD lovers would still try and come up with a way of defending the wardens when there are court documents showing the many laws they broke. This IS my battle to fight. It should be ALL of our battle to fight. This is OUR wildlife being taken care of by these corrupt people. If that's not a good enough reason for you to fight for what's right you should be ashamed to call yourself a hunter. Thank goodness all hunters don't think like you few do. What a sad and even more corrupt world that would be. Even if the topic gets deleted, which would cause many to lose support of such a great site, it is much too late for those that have read it to forget what is happening. This is now a topic among hundreds if not thousands of sportsmen as we can see in the near 11,000 views in four days. And that's just on this website. If I'm not mistaken this post may have had more views than ANY other topic on this website in such a short amount of time. Many of these people have personally thanked me for passing this information on and have forwarded it to their friends. There are many people who are already doing their part to see that justice is served and that this corruption is stopped. Believe it or not. It's happening. Continue with the name calling if you would like but believe me I'm not gonna stop passing on information that people need to know about. Give me a few days till my next topic about a warden down south by the name of McGeehee. I think you boys will love it!

[Elkhunter1]

Obviously, Mr B you want this topic to live on so YOU can get whatever YOU are trying get (my guess is "your pound of flesh"). The 0nly reason that I comment, is that the topic was closed after YOUR last post which had more than one MISTAKE.

The funny aspect of this is Mr B. started it and responded to his own post 12 times in 9 pages. You can tell you are way to young and inmature son. Its not your battle to fight yet you have spent countless hours defending in was seems your post is all but correct. I don't know you I am sure you are a great kid. But seriously if you want to attack people or talk trash about some one, log on to your facebook or my space or what ever and blast one of your buddies. It doesn't belong on here.

 

 

I THINK THEY SHOULD DELETE THE ENTIRE POST...

No, they shouldn't delete it. BC777 does give insight into the way G&F conducts internal investigations, HOWEVER the name calling from all involved is and should never be tolerated here.

BC777, I was totally in your corner until you started hitting below the belt. Once you start down that road you loose all credibility with most of us "honest" hunters. I firmly believe "you can't fix it if don't know it's broke" Posting this topic opens the door to getting it fixed. I have NOT read the court transcripts and I will not comment on the legality of what has been reported on this thread.

TO ALL LAW ABIDING HUNTERS OUT THERE KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO AND GOOD HUNTING!!

[bonecollector777]

Sounds good. . I'm not asking anyone to be on my side. Just passin' on the facts. I'm just not quite sure how name calling from others towards me seems to get overlooked but when I respond back to it people find it horrifying and disrespectful? Seriously go back through any name calling I have made on this site and see if you can find one that wasn't in response to someone calling me something first. You won't find one Immature. . yeah probably. But laughing at their ridiculous insults and seeing the joke turned on the guys attempting to make me feel bad just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside But think what you wish. I'm not here to make fans.

[Elkhunter1]

Sounds good. . I'm not asking anyone to be on my side. Just passin' on the facts. I'm just not quite sure how name calling from others towards me seems to get overlooked but when I respond back to it people find it horrifying and disrespectful? Seriously go back through any name calling I have made on this site and see if you can find one that wasn't in response to someone calling me something first. You won't find one Immature. . yeah probably. But laughing at their ridiculous insults and seeing the joke turned on the guys attempting to make me feel bad just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside But think what you wish. I'm not here to make fans.

I have not said you are the only one that is name calling, My comments directed towards you simply are a friendly warning that, that behavior muddies what you as the topic originator are trying to bring to light, as one can see from the other post being red flagged. The original poster needs to be the bigger person when it comes to name calling or the topic at hand changes to the name calling it self.

[Elkhunter1]

Just so everybody understands me and my views I HATE; bad cops, rapist's, and child molesters. Not necessarily in that order!!!

[AZLance]

I THINK THEY SHOULD DELETE THE ENTIRE POST...

 

I think they should Delete Shawn Wagners employment! Along with all the others involved.

[joe hunter]

I think if you work for AZDGF or you are a judge or just your average joe hunter you should obey the law or pay the price.

 

I hope if I ever decide to poach something and get caught you guys that want it to ...go away... give me a big pat on the back and say just let it go, just keep it quite, no big deal.

 

Not really, if I ever poach....lock me up. I'd deserve it.

[deserttacoma84]

Bc777 actually starts the personal attacks in page 4 of the original post when he says " get out of here you game and fish lover", im guessing you don't speed or roll the occasional stop sign either...