Draw odds

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Maybe dumb question but are the odds better if your are on an app with multiple persons versus solo?

Everyone I know this year who was on apps with others got drawn. Everyone I know who was solo was not drawn? Just wondering?

[rossislider]

They average the bonus points of the group so it could help someone with few points to put in with someone with many, but hurt the chances of someone with many to put in with someone with few.

If you and a buddy put in separately the odds of one of you drawing increase. For example, if neither of you have bonus points but put in together, you have one chance at a good draw number. By putting in separately you now increase your odds for one to draw a low number. However, the chances that you would both draw the same tag together are terrible.

If you both want to hunt together you need to put in together.

 

Here is another situation. You and a buddy might consider separate tags to increase your odds of getting into the mountains. If your buddy draws you help him and if you draw he helps you. At least it improves your odds of getting involved in a hunt.

[DesertBull]

Also, if there 2 people on your app and only one tag left when your number is up, you crap out.

[DUG]

We put all 5 in our family separate. Got 3 cow tags and a p-horn tag. We just like to hunt elk so cow is our 2nd choice most times.

[GJMauro12]

I know a few people this year that drew 4 tags on one app but I still never add anyone to my app. Our family all started putting in separately quite a few years ago and there hasn't been a year yet that we aren't all in the woods we just don't all have a tag in our pocket.

[MULEPACKHUNTER]

Makes sense and thanks. Just seemed like a lot of the people I heard from that were drawn were together. I go solo as well and my partner does the saMe since one elk off trail is plenty. I should maybe do a pole to see percentages on who was drawn or not drawn and how many of each were solo or multiple?

[bigorange]

I drew bull once by myself and cow with one other hunter (we drew 49 and 50 of 50 tags...lucky) Both archery.

 

Put in with 4 total on our app for rifle bull and cow this yr and drew nothing.

 

Going back to archery by myself or with one other next year...my buddies that wanted rifle can put in separately and I'll help them out if they get lucky.

[mbiewer]

Its all "horse apples" really. ha ha. There's a memeber on here that is well into consecutive hunts in the double digit range.

 

I myself put in with my brother, typically, and have for a number of years. Usually its the same unit. If we get to go, we get to go.

 

Based on the data from the hunt harvest reports (available at game and fish). With all the combinations of bonus points and applicants there was 508,616 (yes i added them up)"people"* that applied. (*counting each bonus point as an applicatin, because thats how it actually does work). In general, there are 25,034 available hunt tags this year for elk (not counting the champ hunts and a few of the other similar hunts). Giving a 04.9% chance at an oppurtunity to go. (now this percentage will change if you have bonus points yourself. Discussing the draw odds with an individual at work who had no bonus points like myslef, it was easier math).

 

It took me three years to get drawn for my cow tag last year. This year we got drawn for bull, with no bonus points...and using my BofA card. Go figure. ha ha

[azslim]

the answer is "yes" - been drawn with multiples on an app or a single, been skunked too, just the luck of the draw

[AZ8]

Its all "horse apples" really. ha ha. There's a memeber on here that is well into consecutive hunts in the double digit range.

 

I myself put in with my brother, typically, and have for a number of years. Usually its the same unit. If we get to go, we get to go.

 

Based on the data from the hunt harvest reports (available at game and fish). With all the combinations of bonus points and applicants there was 508,616 (yes i added them up)"people"* that applied. *counting each bonus point as an applicatin, because thats how it actually does work). In general, there are 25,034 available hunt tags this year for elk (not counting the champ hunts and a few of the other similar hunts). Giving a 04.9% chance at an oppurtunity to go. (now this percentage will change if you have bonus points yourself. Discussing the draw odds with an individual at work who had no bonus points like myslef, it was easier math).

 

It took me three years to get drawn for my cow tag last year. This year we got drawn for bull, with no bonus points...and using my BofA card. Go figure. ha ha

 

I don't think that is accurate. That just shows how many people actually have bonus points, not necessarily how many actually applied. It's safe to assume everyone didnt apply. No way there was 100% participation.

 

From AZG&F website: There were more than 142,000 applicants for this year’s elk/pronghorn antelope draw for hunts or bonus points, and 26,308 tags were issued. The total number of applications, including those submitted on paper and online, was approximately 103,665.

 

 

[mbiewer]

I may very well have misinterpretid the data incorrectly, but this is what i was looking at ( Survey, harvest and hunt data for small and big game. http://www.azgfd.gov/regs/HuntArizona2012.pdf)

 

Either way... it does have the data for "number of bonus point" and "success drawn" for each.