STOMP442 Report post Posted March 4, 2013 250 savage is perfect for small kids with plenty of punch and less recoil than a 243. A 115 grain berger at 2850 with the recoil of a 22-250 is hard to beat and it does a number on coues and anything else for that matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stanley Report post Posted March 4, 2013 This topic has been covered here before, but never gets old!! One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the type of rifle, as opposed to the caliber (unless I missed it....). When I was in college, I picked-up a Remington 7400 .308 (It's a semi-auto, for those that don't know.). Basically, I got it dirt cheap at a time when I only owned a 30-30, so I thought it would be good to own a .308 (semi-auto or not). Well, it turns-out that 20 years later that .308 worked-out great for my kids. The semi-auto action makes a great 'shock absorber' for the recoil. The rifle has a very mild kick. All three of them became shooters and killed their first big game animials with it at a young age. For safety reasons, as they were in their early years I just had them use it as a single-shot. I left the clip at home so we had to load the rounds one at a time. My $.02...... S. PS: Here's a couple of oldies but a goodies! Little Greta with her first deer and the Remington 7400 on display! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
singleshot Report post Posted March 4, 2013 I guess I better turn myself over to C.P.S. I abused my children by letting them hunt doves, quail and turkeys with a shotgun. I should have searched for a muzzle break for that old 20 gauge, let alone the 12's. 20 gauge - 6.5 pounds - 7/8 ounces of shot - 16.1pounds of recoil = 270 winchester - 8 pounds - 130 grain bullet - 16.5 pounds recoil. 20 gauge - 6.5 pounds - 1 1/8 ounces of shot - 25 pounds of recoil = 7mm weatherby magnum - 9 pounds - 160 grain bullet - 25.6 pounds of recoil 20 gauge - 6.5 pounds - 1 1/4 ounce of shot - 31 pounds of recoil = 300 weatherby magnum - 9 pounds - 165 grain bullet - 31.6 pounds of recoil 12 gauge - 7.5 pounds - 1 1/8 ounce of shot - 23 pounds of recoil 12 gauge - 7.5 pounds - 1 1/2 ounce of shot - 45 pounds of recoil 12 gauge - 7.5 pounds - 1 7/8 ounce 3 inch magnum - 54 pounds of recoil = 450 nitro express - 11 pounds - 465 grain bullet - 55 pounds of recoil If a kid can shoot a box of shells at doves, or a round of trap with field loads buy him or her a .270. a 25.06 or 7mm-08 and forget about the muzzle break. Even if you get a super lite with a tupperware stock, the old break open barrel H&R 20 gauge is going to bring the thunder comparable to most center fires. My kids and I do wear ear protection at the range but the last guy we saw in the field with muffs around his neck and a ported barrel is still known as "inspector gadget ". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sherman Report post Posted March 5, 2013 Interesting topic. I am also sitting in this same boat. I am leaning towards the 7mm-08, but am now questioning the 25-06. For those experts out there, what are the big differences and limitations between the two. The rifle would also wear a break. IMO with or without break the kiddos gotta have ear protection! Trust me I am not an expert and don't know much about the 7mm-08. I know it is a necked down .308 where 25-06 is a necked down 30-06. The 7mm-08 runs like 140 gr bullet where the biggest for the 25-06 is 120 gr. The drop on the 25-06 is just about the same as the .270. not sure about the 7mm-08 but you could google it. What I like about the 25-06 is you can use it from varments to elk. Realy no felt recoil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MRL1984 Report post Posted March 5, 2013 I guess I better turn myself over to C.P.S. I abused my children by letting them hunt doves, quail and turkeys with a shotgun. Agreed... Not really, but seriously though get your kids to wear plugs any time they shoot. Hearing loss, much like an STD/VD is easy to avoid if you wear protection, and an awful thing to end up with. Thankfully I only have first hand experience with hearing loss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sjvcon Report post Posted March 6, 2013 Check the ballistics charts for the comparison of a 7-08 and a 25-06. They are both good rounds. I don't think you can go wrong either way. I'd probably be more likely to shoot larger game with the 7-08 due to the higher grain weights available, but that is just me. You can probably kill just about anything in Arizona with either ... just depending on shot placement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOMP442 Report post Posted March 6, 2013 After doing some quick calcs using hodgdon data with a 25-06 running a berger 115 at 3050 and a 7mm-08 running a 140 Berger at 2850 they are pretty much identical at 1000 yards, only difference is about 100 ft pounds of energy in favor of the heavier 140 bullet and about 25 inches flatter trajectory for the 25-06. At 500 yards trajectory and drift are within a few inches and the same 100 pounds of energy in favor of the 7-08. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
palivs2hnt Report post Posted March 6, 2013 After doing some quick calcs using hodgdon data with a 25-06 running a berger 115 at 3050 and a 7mm-08 running a 140 Berger at 2850 they are pretty much identical at 1000 yards, only difference is about 100 ft pounds of energy in favor of the heavier 140 bullet and about 25 inches flatter trajectory for the 25-06. At 500 yards trajectory and drift are within a few inches and the same 100 pounds of energy in favor of the 7-08. Helpful...Thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
