Gabby Giffords

[sjvcon]

"Too many children" are dying Ms. Giffords??? I'd have to check the statistic on how many kids die each year from gun violence, but I doubt the number is a substantial percentage of the gun deaths each year. As opposed to Abortions, which YOU Ms. Giffords support. Let's take out everything but late term abortions (call it after 21 weeks ... just for argument's sake, though I believe that life starts at conception), and you are still talking about over 18,000 childred PER YEAR. Call half of those for the "health of the Mother" ... still over 9,000.

 

Now that is what I would call "TOO MANY CHILDREN" dying Ma'am.

 

I'll get off my soap box now. And if you want to attack me because you think I am attacking Ms. Giffords, I AM NOT. What I am doing is pointing out the ludicrous double standards that the Dems, including Ms. Giffords (who has no doubt been "guided" into this) use when making their arguments. I feel sorry for what happened to Ms. Giffords, but put that aside ... the gun argument from the left is FLAT WRONG, and nothing but an attempt to CONTROL FREE MEN (and Women ... using Men to refer to all human beings).

[Snapshot]

I couldn't agree more. The Dem's prey on American emotion to push their agenda. Look at Obama using children for promoting his gun control executive orders.

I too, feel sorry for Giffords, even though I don't care for her politics. It was a Psycho that attacked her, and a gun was just a tool. Take away the guns, and you still have Psychos running around.

 

Below is an article I posted in one of my threads It pretty much sums up the mind of the Democrat, and liberal left wing agenda, which has become rampant under our current "Dictator in Chief"

 

The 12Ds of “Progressivism”: Liberals at Their Worst

Written on Monday, January 28, 2013 by Sean Aland

In 1832 Noah Webster stated “f the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted”.

The Democratic Party—the so-called progressive party—is not only corrupt but is wedded to what I call the 12 D’s of progressivism: Deny, Defy, Distort, Deceive, Discredit, Demonize, Distract, Discourage, Destroy, Do, Disagree, Disclose. In this day and age, as politics becomes more and more corrupt, the political tactics recommended by Saul Alinsky have been perfected by today’s progressive democrats. Not only that, they are now widely used by our liberals throughout our celebrity society.

We have gone from civil discourse, to uncivil, to corrupt in just three administrations. One can pinpoint when the new tactics started: in the early 90’s during the Clinton’s first presidential campaign as they established a “bimbo eruptions team”. Hillary Clinton, who was the brains of the outfit, used her expertise gained from Saul Alinski’s book “Rules for Radicals” to usher in a whole new strategy on how to deal with opposing individuals and ideas. No doubt her expertise revealed in her college thesis was put to good use as she rewrote the rule book for the Clinton camp.

Take any politician today, especially a democrat, who gets in trouble and see how many of the 12 D’s they employ. To enable the strategy you need to have a news media that is no longer objective, and panders to those in power, while pushing their own agenda in concert with the politicians. No doubt the mainstream media has sold its soul to the DNC. The media has become the de facto Public Relations arm of the Democrat Party, Obama Whitehouse, and liberals in general. Pravda would be proud.
With the media’s assistance, anytime liberals find themselves in an embarrassing or compromising situation, they simply employ the “12D’s of progressivism.

1. DENY. Deny the facts while claiming that the issue in question has nothing to do with the evidence at hand. Common weasel wording includes such lines as: there is an “on-going investigation and I cannot comment on it”. Also deny being part of what has taken place. Bill Clinton’s famous denial ‘I did not have sex with that woman…” is an example of this tactic. Obama’s denials concerning the attack on the consulate in Benghazi, Libya is another example.

2. DEFY. Display artificial indignation and claim to be a victim, even when the opposition has photos, video, recordings and witnesses proving their story to be factual. Then play the beleaguered victim while hurling accusations at the accusers.

3. DISTORT. Cloud the facts, bend the truth, and blame everything on someone else (e.g. the previous administration). With this tactic it is important to use some facts, but not the whole truth and to bend the truth in the desired direction. Mainstream media surrogates make this easier.

4. DECEIVE. When necessary, lie. Go on the attack with the most offensive story possible. Offer up counter accusations to throw the opposition off balance. According to Alinski, if your enemy is spending his time defending himself, he can’t pursue accusations against you.

5. DISCREDIT. Create doubt about the opposition’s integrity, honor, character, proof, witnesses, video, or photos through lies, distortions, and counter-accusations—preferably aided by the mainstream media. Get the media on message with talking points and “Key phrases”.

6. DEMONIZE. Accuse and label the opposition. Use the old “they want …” line and fill in the blank from the following menu: They want… to starve kids, to take medicine away from old people, pollute the water and air, live large while others starve, keep it all for themselves, let people to die while they profit, etc. Over the past four years the Obama administration has used the following terms to describe the opposition: “malicious”, “insensitive”, “evil”, “hostile”, “threatening, “the enemy”, and “flat earthers” to name just a few. Class warfare is an effective aspect of this tactic.

7. DISTRACT. Create another crisis such as the fiscal cliff debacle, to distract people from the real story (e.g. Benghazi, etc.). Create a “war on…” women, children, the poor or blame it all on something else such as a video or anything else that will distract observers from the real issue.

8. DISCOURAGE. Threaten the opposition with dire consequences. Get the media to join in by echoing the threat. To see firsthand this tactic in practice watch CNBC or MSNBC.

9. DESTROY. Engage in character assassination. Go after any aspect of their life that might be vulnerable—nothing is off limits—and use maximum intimidation while claiming the opposition is “mean spirited” and engages in the “politics of personal destruction.” Divide and conquer the opposition by pitting them against each other.

10. DO. Press you agenda while the opposition is distracted by your tactics. As the media adds to the distraction by covering your distortions and misdirection, make as much progress advancing your agenda as possible.

11. DISAGREE. Continue to disagree about the facts no matter what happens. Disagree vehemently and loudly with anyone in the opposition no matter how obvious the validity of their claims may be. Follow Hillary Clinton lead in giving testimony on the Benghazi debacle: pound the table in indignation. Look directly at the camera and with all of the artificial sincerity you can muster, claim your innocence.

12. DISCLOSE. Acknowledge the facts of the case but only when the trial is over, the election is won, statute of limitations has passed, you don’t think it will matter anymore, or the book deal payoff is big enough. Finally, admit the truth but make light of it as if the matter is of little importance—after all it happened so long ago. Do not admit to any responsibility, and show no remorse.

These are the tactics that make up the grand strategy of today’s so-called progressive democrats. Observe liberal democrats during Obama’s second term and I believe you will find that Noah Webster was right!

[sjvcon]

Yep. I read that post prior and agree.

 

This country is headed into one of the darkest times in our history. Yes ... slavery was a dark time, and the darkest time we have faced to date. It was an uneducated time. An unfair time. Yes ... the treatment of many minorities has been abhorent at times ... by the uneducated, the small minded, the self-stated "superiors". Sad times to be sure ... and thankfully (for the most part in civilized America) behind us. BUT THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. The American population at large is headed into a type of "slavery". We will be slaves to the Government Machine ... slaves to their edicts. They are now the self-stated "superiors". They know better than we do what is good for us. What we should eat, what we should weigh, what we should do, what we should not do ... and when we have outlived our usefulness, and when we should DIE (OBAMAFRAUD/CARE Death Panels ... yes they exist).

 

If you are someone who doesn't believe that is the case, keep voting in the incumbents and wait to see what happens. I promise to say "I TOLD YOU SO". Me ... I won't vote for an incumbent unless it means vote for an incumbent R vs a leftest Dem. I haven't voted for an incumbent R in a Primary in years.

 

I am not sure how to fix the problem. Maybe it lies with State Legislatures passing laws limiting who can and cannot appear on ballots. If the State of Arizona determined you could not run for election on the ballots if you have already served a certain number of Federal Terms, how could the Feds stop you??? But you'd have to get all of the other States to adopt similar laws ... which could be next to impossible. Just an idea. Smarter people than me may have better ideas, but we certainly can't count on Congress to enact a 28th Amendment that includes Term Limitations. There are already movements to enact one getting rid of King Odummer's limits. If that happens, the slope just becomes slicker and we head into the dungheap faster.

[Snapshot]

Strap on the ski's for the downhill "Dung heap" run, cuz it's coming.

 

Based on my family health history I figure I got less then 20 years left in this life. IF this country keeps on it's current path.....I will not be sad when my end comes. I would rather die, as a free and proud man, than a slave to a dictatorship of a governement.

[THE RIFLEMAN]

"Too many children" are dying Ms. Giffords??? I'd have to check the statistic on how many kids die each year from gun violence, but I doubt the number is a substantial percentage of the gun deaths each year. As opposed to Abortions, which YOU Ms. Giffords support. Let's take out everything but late term abortions (call it after 21 weeks ... just for argument's sake, though I believe that life starts at conception), and you are still talking about over 18,000 childred PER YEAR. Call half of those for the "health of the Mother" ... still over 9,000.

 

Now that is what I would call "TOO MANY CHILDREN" dying Ma'am.

 

I'll get off my soap box now. And if you want to attack me because you think I am attacking Ms. Giffords, I AM NOT. What I am doing is pointing out the ludicrous double standards that the Dems, including Ms. Giffords (who has no doubt been "guided" into this) use when making their arguments. I feel sorry for what happened to Ms. Giffords, but put that aside ... the gun argument from the left is FLAT WRONG, and nothing but an attempt to CONTROL FREE MEN (and Women ... using Men to refer to all human beings).

Yea plus one on this svjcon; I also noticed they wan't as many illegals to be awarded citizenship so they can vote for their liberal agendas all the while pushing to kill off our unborn citizens! Its a moral trade 1 live wetback for 1 dead baby!!!!This make as much sense as a pickpocket in a nudist camp!!!!

I would be curious how the libertards would react if an undocumented wetback went bizerk with a AK47 at an abortion clinic!!!!

How many wetback children die each year while making the trip to the USA? ? I an sure its more than 22..... Who cares?

[DesertBull]

[mattys281]

"Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying culture" - Aristotle.

 

He got it centuries ago, but people are too damned ignorant to see it today. I honestly think there is no saving this country, as there is nothing that unifies it. No common values, no shared sense of morality, etc. We gave all those away in the name of political correctness over the last 50 years.

[sjvcon]

"Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying culture" - Aristotle.

 

He got it centuries ago, but people are too damned ignorant to see it today. I honestly think there is no saving this country, as there is nothing that unifies it. No common values, no shared sense of morality, etc. We gave all those away in the name of political correctness over the last 50 years.

We gave all of those away when we took prayer out of schools and God out of our daily lives. Odummer says we are "not a Christian Nation" anymore ... he's right insofar as, in its current state, Government promotes itself as God and looks to no higher power for it's rule or decree.

[sidwynder505]

Oh!!! Oh!!! Oh!!!!........Man i know why i joined th web,site!!!! this is where all the smart people are!! Yuuuup! This "Left wing group" is trying to dumb down our great nation of people!! scary thing is they are doing it!. ..I remember when i was young and i did or said something Stupid my "pops" was there to whip my butt!!...witch was alot!!! becuse i was a hyper child to say the least! ...LOL! Now they call that child abuse!! then they take God out our lives and schools or our every day lives! ....then you get a..."You cant do this!!! you cant do that!! never do this!! never do that!!....liberal agendas!" that the Obamma followers!....try to force down our throats!....(THE KOOL AID)!...an wonder why we are having problem with this new generation of intitlement kids that have a" hissy fit"! becuse they belived someone owed then something an forgot!!!...so they just go shoot someone becuse they are mad!! maybe they need there butt whipped????.......or have the fear of "GOD" back in there lives???>> just sayin!!!....