DesertBull Report post Posted September 13, 2012 September 13th, 2012. Obama has expanded civil-forfeiture rules making it permissible for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to seize weapons from citizens without the hassle of due process. This effectively gives Attorney General Eric Holder, of Fast and Furious fame, extended power over guns and gun-related property. The rules were broadened under the guise of giving the ATF authority "to seize and administatively forfeit property involved in controlled substance abuses." And if that doesn't strike you as extreme on first glance, consider the fact that this expansion of civil-forfeiture allows the ATF to forego almost all "due process" in making their seizures -- in effect, placing the burden of proof on the citizen instead of federal agents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elkaholic Report post Posted September 13, 2012 can you post the link where you found this please!! thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 13, 2012 Ugh................that guy is tearing down ................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe Report post Posted September 13, 2012 Are there actually agents who would do so knowing it is an unlawful order? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted September 13, 2012 REPORTS: No Live Ammo for Marines Marine blogs say U.S. embassy did not authorize service members to carry ammo U.S. Marines defending the American embassy in Egypt were not permitted by the State Department to carry live ammunition, limiting their ability to respond to attacks like those this week on the U.S. consulate in Cairo. We have Barney Fife running the country. EDIT - No, at least Barney had ONE bullet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted September 13, 2012 can you post the link where you found this please!! thanks http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=9319733 http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/12/Obama-Expands-Civil-Forfeiture-So-ATF-Can-Seize-Your-Guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Browns Report post Posted September 13, 2012 I wish I could say I'm suprised, but this is another example why our country is in the situation it is in! Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertBull Report post Posted September 13, 2012 Why isn't Eric Holder in jail? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ready2hunt Report post Posted September 13, 2012 I agree that Holder should be in jail as well! Just saw we now got the fed about to pump more money into bonds. How much more debt that we inject into ourselves?! I depend on a good economy just as much as anyone else but how can people freakin' beleive that the Obama administration is good for our country!? We need to get rid of all these idiots and start over. I hope these liberal tree huggin' hippies start takin' notice Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Non-Typical Solutions Report post Posted September 13, 2012 I agree that Holder should be in jail as well! Just saw we now got the fed about to pump more money into bonds. How much more debt that we inject into ourselves?! I depend on a good economy just as much as anyone else but how can people freakin' beleive that the Obama administration is good for our country!? We need to get rid of all these idiots and start over. I hope these liberal tree huggin' hippies start takin' notice I was listening to radio about how Obama was doing a fund raiser in Nevada......who donates money to that guy?? Crazy stuff for sure.....I don't get it........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted September 14, 2012 I agree that Holder should be in jail as well! Just saw we now got the fed about to pump more money into bonds. How much more debt that we inject into ourselves?! I depend on a good economy just as much as anyone else but how can people freakin' beleive that the Obama administration is good for our country!? We need to get rid of all these idiots and start over. I hope these liberal tree huggin' hippies start takin' notice I was listening to radio about how Obama was doing a fund raiser in Nevada......who donates money to that guy?? Crazy stuff for sure.....I don't get it........ It was more important for Obama to Jet off to Vegas for his celebrity fund raiser, than it was for him to properly address the attack on US Consulates. This guy is such a fake and a poser. He has half the voters fooled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
archerycrazy Report post Posted September 14, 2012 Does your family have an extra $600K sitting around? If you do, you can pay off your share of the National Debt. Then you can continue to pay more while Obama runs it up more to the tune of about $4B a day.Are you enjoying Hope and Change yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeardownAZ Report post Posted September 14, 2012 Are there actually agents who would do so knowing it is an unlawful order? Umm..Yes! The government is full of ladder climbers looking to make a name for themselves even if it means breaking the law. After all, it doesnt apply to them. Just ask Eric Holder! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted September 14, 2012 Dictator Obama likes to make up his own rules. They know we can't hold them accountable. We would have to get past the the armed forces to throw out the abusers in Washington D.C. They know they are safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmyc Report post Posted September 14, 2012 The ATF contacted our morons running the state and notified them that law abiding citiznes were buying AR's at gun stores and selling them to cartels in Phoenix. But, these cartels members were'nt breaking any laws so these idiots in Phoenix said, leave them alone. So between the state and the ATF they decided to allow the sales to roll and see where they go. Well we all know what happened. A hard working BP agen was killed by one of these guns. We should look at the hag of a govenor we have in Phoenix and her croanies along with Holder. He wasn't the only responsible for all this. Just a little FYI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
