Two Javelina Bag Limit (under some circumstances)!

[Flatlander]

I would love to see this happen with leftover deer tags. I have been chomping at the bit for an excuse to go down south.

[Becker]

I like this idea, and agree we should open up the same scenario for deer tags. I would have no problem picking up an extra deer tag every year!

[1uglydude]

It's never going to happen again with leftover deer tags...unless the demand for deer tags overall goes way down (or maybe if deer numbers go sky high?)

 

The difference between leftover deer and pig tags is obvious. By the time of the hunt, ALL (or all but a small handful) of the leftover deer tags are sold. In contrast, roughly a couple thousand leftover pig tags go unsold each year. The demand for those tags isn't there, and AZGFD misses out on potential revenue. With deer, they get all the money they expect without having to allow double harvest. Under the proposed rule, AZGFD would sell many pig tags that normally go unclaimed. In turn, they will get an additional $30k-$60k each year. That's enough for one or two extra employees.

[firstcoueswas80]

Yeah lets do this for deer and see our deer heard get obliterated even more

[Flatlander]

If Game and Fish is proposing the tags already, how would this obliterate our herd? According to their survey data the herd sustains those tags and the associated harvest. This just allows the AZGFD to maximize the use of their resources.

[firstcoueswas80]

And according to the WM's in the field, there should NOT be as many tags as get allocated every year. The commision approves that, not the guys who have boots on the ground, and first hand data from the field.

[Becker]

As mentioned above all or most of the deer tags end up selling, so what would be the difference if they let you on the first come first serve basis pick up a leftover/extra tag??? They sell anyway.

 

And I am sure everyone would agree with you Casey that there are way to many tags. Everyone knows that. I have dreams of what potential we could have for Coues if we managed some of these units, AND I MEAN ACTUALLY MANAGED, for true trophy deer. And this is just my opinion but I believe that the majority of our deer are harvested between two and four years of age. If you watch the majority of eastern whitetail hunters, Example LEE and TIFFANY LAKOWSKI, They don't shoot deer until they are at least five. Granted they have food plots and what not but thats not the point. The point is for bucks to show their true potential they need age. I can only dream what say the Catalinas or Santa Ritas could be if deer were able to get to those higher age classes. Mexico is another example and why you see so many huge deer coming from there. They only allow a small percentage of the deer to be harvested allowing the deer to get into those higher age classes.

 

Anyway I guess I got off topic a little but, No matter what the situation, if they are allocating a certain amount of tags I will try and get as many as I possibly can.

[wardsoutfitters]

If we could hunt Coues and Mule Deer during the rut like they do in Mexico, we could also harvest giant deer in AZ. Even without hunting during the rut Arizonans harvest great bucks every year. If the tags are available then why not get a second tag!! Also keep in mind most hunters that hunt in Mexico are true trophy hunters and are not willing to harvest smaller bucks. There is no reason true serious trophy hunters in AZ shouldn’t harvest 100” bucks year after year.

 

[azgutpile]

How about instead of increasing the bag limit, lets try allowing the purchase of the over the counter (left over) tags, to people that were not successful on their previous hunt.

 

The way it is right now, you cant purchase a left over tag if you were drawn for a diffrent hunt, even if the hunt you got drawn for is over and you weren't successful.

[reganranch]

If Arizona followed rules like Idaho and other states have concerning deer, moose,elk on harvesting at least so much antlered points on each animal, concerning deer we would see a higher amount of quality deer. Instead of shooting a spike that still has milk on its lips. Sure not as many people will tag out every year, but hunters will get better and the deer will get bigger.

[bowhunter81]

Yea I totally agree with the deer statements above granted they won't cater to everyone... The game and fish really isn't managing for trophy class animals eventhough I produces plenty. I think they willingly give the hunters the right to shoot what ever sized deer the see fit. Giving us the opportunity to shoot what we would be happy with. I have no problems with the way its set up. A great hunter will always find the buck he or she is looking for. I think its great that the juniors get a chance to harvest great bucks early. I guess for the majority of hunters just getting out there is a great thing reguardless of size.

[Flatlander]

I would certainly not use ID as a model for wildlife management. Point restrictions really have not proven effective in those areas. I like the idea of trying to target the harvest but point restrictions aren't really the answer. You just end up encouraging bad genetics.

[reganranch]

I would certainly not use ID as a model for wildlife management. Point restrictions really have not proven effective in those areas. I like the idea of trying to target the harvest but point restrictions aren't really the answer. You just end up encouraging bad genetics.

 

How else do you determine age of a buck? Bushwhack it and check the teeth?

[DesertBull]

It's your tag you should be able to shoot any buck you want to shoot. Some people are not worried about the score.

[Flatlander]

I would certainly not use ID as a model for wildlife management. Point restrictions really have not proven effective in those areas. I like the idea of trying to target the harvest but point restrictions aren't really the answer. You just end up encouraging bad genetics.

 

How else do you determine age of a buck? Bushwhack it and check the teeth?

 

Hunter's have to make a conscious decision not to harvest young animals. Using trail cams and scouting provide opportunities to evaluate deer and unerstand more about its age. But honestly in the Western US, I don't know of a good way to ensure young animals arent harvested. But having hunted in 4 point only units in ID, I will tell you that the system is ineffective at developing older age class animals.