Hunting with the aid of a Vehicle

[twigsnapper]

In WM defense, my uncle couldn't find his hunting license last year on a deer hunt. He had the deer tag but couldn't find the hunting license in his pack. WM said, "don't worry we can't sell you a deer tag if you don't have a valid license." He check his drivers license matched it to his deer tag and told us to have a nice day. They do have hearts and common since but sometimes we all have a bad day at work. Hunting from a vehicle and using a vehicle to aid in the taking of wildlife seem to be separate issues, no?

[Big Tub]

"The real problem is that, even if you think it is not going to hold up in court, the cost of court is not cheap, and as mentioned above, you are guilty until proven innocent."

 

 

Actually, the bromide should be: ""You are innocent until proven bankrupt."

 

Here's a scenario that stretches the definition of road hunting and provides examples of why we should not try to legislate ethics and sportsmanship:

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Also, while your truck is a motor vehicle, why couldn't your defense be that you were using it as a ground blind? Federal waterfowl laws talk about pursuing ducks and geese from a moving boat powered by a motor. Turn the motor off, lift the prop out of the water, and you can shoot ducks legally.

 

Something to think about.

 

Bill Quimby

 

 

 

OK my story from the other end

 

For the last two seasons, we have had run-ins with this large camp. Half of the guys in camp just drive around all day looking for deer. One in particular has an open jeep and constantly just drives around. We were glassing from a high ridge when these 2 guys and 2 little kids drive down this 2-track road. They looked right at us apparently not seeing us, then drove on down the road. They pulled off and obviously glassed up something. He ended up crawling up in the back of his truck, resting off the top of the cab of his truck and emptied two different rifles (> 800 yard shots) and then proceeded to follow up the shots. Several minutes later we watched this huge deer hobble off with one leg shot up with the hunter and his partner in pursuit. We watched as the deer eluded the hunters with an abrupt right angle turn at the top of the ridge. Some others from the camp showed up at the guys truck along with the wildlife manager. The shooter and his partner eventually got back to the truck and then lied through their teeth about shooting out of the back of the truck -- they must have known it was wrong. The guy ended up pleading guilty after 3 court appearances and almost a year of elapsed time when he found out he would not lose his license or hunting privileges for such a minor offense -- a few hundreds dollars penalty, well plus all his lawyer fees.

 

I was more incensed about him shooting over 800 yards and wounding that deer, but it was clear that he was certainly shooting from a vehicle. Do any of you think that was OK as his buddies back at the truck had argued with the WM?

[123456]

I am pretty sure no one on here would think that is ok...... Totally different scenario than the one described at the start of this thread.

[CouesWhitetail]

I am pretty sure no one on here would think that is ok...... Totally different scenario than the one described at the start of this thread.

 

+1

 

I think the scenario described at the beginning of the thread is much more of a "grey area".

[THE RIFLEMAN]

There are attourneys that specialize in this area - I am shure the defeat of a frivolous/unjustfied citation would be followed by a countersuit to cover cout costs and expenses! If no one fights these citations then the LEO's will continue the ticketing......

[WM U37B]

All,

Amanda forwarded this to me and I'll chime in. Also, JLW found and posted a similar forum from last year that was discussed at great length. The scenario described by 123456 as shown below with the details provided is not a violation of ARS 17-301B provided that while driving they did not haze or harass the antelope to keep them in their unit or in an area which, believe it or not, happens quite often and is obviously not legal (ARS 17-309A1, R12-4-320). It is unfortunate some of you have had negative experiences with WM's. Hopefully we can do a better job to change this provided hunters are being ethical and law abiding which the vast majority are. Believe it or not, some people lie about things they've done...What??? Happy hunting and good luck in the draw. The results should be out soon

 

Thanks,

Ben Brochu

Wildlife Manager 37B

520-591-7636

bbrochu@azgfd.gov

 

So I heard that one of the wildlife managers has been and will continue to write tickets for using a vehicle in the aid of take of animals if: A hunter spots something that is a far distance away and sees a road that will cut his hike from 4-5 miles to only 1 miles. He then gets in his vehicle and drives to that road and then hikes after his game. IMO this is crap and just wanted to know what you all think? This is happening in prime antelope country and as all of you know, Antelope can be spotted from great distances away. I think this is a huge contradiction of their pack out all of your meat as well. The Archery Antelope hunts can and usually are in the 90* temperature range. If you hike 5 miles and then kill, you then have to hike back 5 miles and that pretty much spells a spoiled goat. Whats your thoughts? and if there are any Wildlife managers on here, please chime in if I heard wrong.

[JLW]

All,

Amanda forwarded this to me and I'll chime in. Also, JLW found and posted a similar forum from last year that was discussed at great length. The scenario described by 123456 as shown below with the details provided is not a violation of ARS 17-301B provided that while driving they did not haze or harass the antelope to keep them in their unit or in an area which, believe it or not, happens quite often and is obviously not legal (ARS 17-309A1, R12-4-320). It is unfortunate some of you have had negative experiences with WM's. Hopefully we can do a better job to change this provided hunters are being ethical and law abiding which the vast majority are. Believe it or not, some people lie about things they've done...What??? Happy hunting and good luck in the draw. The results should be out soon

 

Thanks,

Ben Brochu

Wildlife Manager 37B

520-591-7636

bbrochu@azgfd.gov

 

So I heard that one of the wildlife managers has been and will continue to write tickets for using a vehicle in the aid of take of animals if: A hunter spots something that is a far distance away and sees a road that will cut his hike from 4-5 miles to only 1 miles. He then gets in his vehicle and drives to that road and then hikes after his game. IMO this is crap and just wanted to know what you all think? This is happening in prime antelope country and as all of you know, Antelope can be spotted from great distances away. I think this is a huge contradiction of their pack out all of your meat as well. The Archery Antelope hunts can and usually are in the 90* temperature range. If you hike 5 miles and then kill, you then have to hike back 5 miles and that pretty much spells a spoiled goat. Whats your thoughts? and if there are any Wildlife managers on here, please chime in if I heard wrong.

 

this should put the vast majority at ease!

Thanks for chiming in!

 

James

[Big Tub]

"Results should be out soon"??? Are we to believe that WM don't lie? Thank you, Ben.

[123456]

Ben!! I want to thank you a ton for taking a stance and giving all of us a concrete answer. I just printed this whole topic out, and plan to keep it with me while hunting. I appreciate your answer and you have relieved me from some unwanted doubts. If I or anyone else has any issues in the field, I am going to site this thread. I love CWT.com.

[CouesWhitetail]

Thank you for the clarification Ben!