Obamacare Upheld.....thoughts??

[Snapshot]

THe whitehouse keeps insisting that it is a "Penalty" , and not a "Tax".

 

Mr.President ,.......Don't spit in my face and then try to tell me it's raining.

[Pine Donkey]

Here is a very interesting letter written by a successful lawyer.

 

June 28, 2012

 

To all my friends, particularly those conservatives who are despondent over the searing betrayal by Chief Justice John Roberts and the pending demise of our beloved country, I offer this perspective to convey some profound hope and evidence of the Almighty’s hand in the affairs of men in relation to the Supreme Court’s decision on Obamacare.

I initially thought we had cause for despondency when I only heard the results of the decision and not the reason or the make-up of the sides. I have now read a large portion of the decision and I believe that it was precisely the result that Scalia, Alito, Thomas, Roberts and even Kennedy wanted and not a defeat for conservatism or the rule of law. I believe the conservatives on the court have run circles around the liberals and demonstrated that the libs are patently unqualified to be on the Supreme Court. Let me explain.

First let me assure you that John Roberts is a conservative and he is not dumb, mentally unstable, diabolical, a turncoat, a Souter or even just trying to be too nice. He is a genius along with the members of the Court in the dissent. The more of the decision I read the more remarkable it became. It is not obvious and it requires a passable understanding of Constitutional law but if it is explained anyone can see the beauty of it.

The decision was going to be a 5-4 decision no matter what, so the allegation that the decision was a partisan political decision was going to be made by the losing side and their supporters. If the bill was struck down completely with Roberts on the other side there would have been a national and media backlash against conservatives and probably strong motivation for Obama supporters to come out and vote in November. With today’s decision that dynamic is reversed and there is a groundswell of support for Romney and Republicans, even for people who were formerly lukewarm toward Romney before today, additionally Romney raised more than 3 million dollars today.

Next, merely striking the law without the support of Democrats and libs would have left the fight over the commerce clause and the “necessary and proper “ clause and the federal government’s role in general festering and heading the wrong way as it has since 1942. As a result of the decision the libs are saying great things about Roberts; how wise, fair and reasonable he is. They would never have said that without this decision even after the Arizona immigration decision on Monday. In the future when Roberts rules conservatively it will be harder for the left and the media to complain about the Robert’s Court’s fairness. That’s why he as Chief Justice went to the other side for this decision not Scalia, Alito, Thomas or Kennedy, all of whom I believe would have been willing to do it.

Next let’s look at the decision itself. Thankfully Roberts got to write it as Chief Justice and it is a masterpiece. (As I write this the libs don’t even know what has happened they just think Roberts is great and that they won and we are all going to have free, unlimited healthcare services and we are all going to live happily ever after.) He first emphatically states that Obamacare is unconstitutional under the Commerce Clause saying you cannot make people buy stuff. Then he emphatically states that it is unconstitutional under the “necessary and proper” clause which only applies to “enumerated powers” in the US Constitution. Justices Ginsberg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan all went along with these statements. They never would have gone along with that sentiment if that was the basis for striking the law in total. This is huge because this means that the Court ruled 9-0 that Obamacare was unconstitutional under the Commerce clause which was Obama’s whole defense of the bill. They also ruled 9-0 on the “necessary and proper” clause. Even better both of these rulings were unnecessary to the decision so it is gravy that we got the libs to concede this and it will make it easier to pare away at both theories in the future, which we must do. Well done.

Roberts, through very tortured reasoning, goes on to find that the taxing law provides the Constitutionality for the law. Virtually everyone agrees that the Federal government has the power to do this as it does with the mortgage deduction for federal income taxes. This too is huge because Obama assiduously avoided using the term “tax” and now he has to admit this law is a tax and it is on everyone even the poor. That will hurt him hugely in the polls and will help Romney. More importantly though is the fact that this makes this a budgetary issue that can be voted on in the Senate by a mere majority instead of 60 votes needed to stop a filibuster. That means that if the Republicans can gain a majority in the Senate, it can vote to repeal Obamacare in total.

Finally the Court voted 7-2 to strike down the punitive rules that take away money from states that do not expand Medicare as required in Obamacare. This too is huge because we got Kagan and Breyer to join this decision and it can easily be applied to many other cases of extortion the Federal government uses to force states to do things they don’t want to. This is also amazing because Obamacare has no severability clause so by striking the Medicaid mandate portion as unconstitutional the whole bill should have been struck. If that happened none of these other benefits would have been accomplished. I haven’t read far enough to know how he did it but I am sure it is brilliant.

So to recap the Roberts court through a brilliant tactical maneuver has: strengthened the limitations of the commerce clause and the necessary and proper clause by a unanimous decision, exposed the genuine negative economic effect on the poor and middle classes (by calling it a tax), converted Obamacare into a tax program repealable with 51 votes in the Senate, enhanced Romney’s and Republican’s fundraising and likelihood of being elected in November and weakened federal extortion, all without anyone even noticing. Even Obama is now espousing the rule of law just 2 weeks after violating it with his deportation executive order.

That is why I have decided this was a genius decision and that I did in fact get a great birthday present today not to mention U. S. Attorney General Eric Holder being held in contempt. What a day.

[BeardownAZ]

I have read similar reasoning behind his(Roberts) decision on other websites and news outlets. It does stand to reason in conservatives favor I just hope it plays out that way.

[Snapshot]

I have read similar reasoning behind his(Roberts) decision on other websites and news outlets. It does stand to reason in conservatives favor I just hope it plays out that way.

 

SOme people are calling Roberts a traitor that caved in to political pressure. Others are calling him a genius for ruling as he did. I don't know if its a ploy to make us right wingers feel better, or just more cloak and dagger political propoganda?

[Snapshot]

THe House voted to repeal the law. Too bad it won't make it pass the Dimwit-ocrats in the senate

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/11/house-approves-obamacare-repeal-in-first-vote-since-court-ruling/

[ready2hunt]

I hate knowing that the repeal is most likely to die in the Senate. How are people so narrowed minded to think that this health care tax is a good thing??

 

Interestingly enough- I just read on yahoo how Hugo Chavez and Obama agree with each other that Venezuela is no threat to anyone... Suprise suprise!

 

Whats the difference between Obama and Chavez??? One is oppresive, a socialist and wants to see the United States crumble....and the other lives in Venezula!

 

Ya I know...I just hijacked my own thread...I just cant stand this.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/chavez-says-venezuela-no-threat-anyone-195445754.html

[Snapshot]

People are narrow minded about Obamacare being a good thing, because Obama and the liberal left wing media has brainwashed many americans. We live in a society of people who want something for nothing, and Obama is the king that will give it to them. What better way for our domestic terrorist of a President to work his evil doings than by destroying our healtcare system.

[DesertBull]

If Obamacare is so great, why are the President and his family, congress, unions, muslims, and over 800 big money liberal donors expempt?

[Snapshot]

If Obamacare is so great, why are the President and his family, congress, unions, muslims, and over 800 big money liberal donors expempt?

 

Cuz dictators get to choose who they enforce their will upon. If the taxpayer is forced to do this, then Obama and congress should lead by example and be subject to the same. Our government can't put their money where their mouth is.......keep that bootheel firmly on the necks of the working american.

 

Our government is turning into what our forefathers came to America to get away from.

[Coach]

BMB = Buy More Bullets. Smart people are canning, jarring, hording. If you don't have an "exit-strategy" you're behind the times. If your existing "exit strategy" involves any bridges between Phx and Payson, or Globe and Show Low, or even Winslow to Show Low...you might want to rethink. We're loaded to our gills up here with EOTW types that don't want or need the hordes from the valley to compete agaist. Don't think for a mintute that they haven't contemplated how to circumvent an unwanted influx of potential competitors for the resources they'd lay down their life to protect.

[reganranch]

Looking for friend with Heli,Plane or Boat to get the hel out of here when the ball drops. I will raid the AJS in Tucson and bring the steaks.

[Snapshot]

kind of like the coming of a "Zombie apocalypse", except it will be the governement trying to eat us instead.