Red Rabbit Report post Posted May 30, 2012 It's incidents like these that will get the forest closed rather than have fire restrictions. It's incidents like these that have groups wanting to ban campfires altogether. After the Shultz and Wallow fires, I don't blame them. "Campers reported fellow campers this weekend for violating prohibitions on campfires in the Coconino and Kaibab national forests and on private properties. Altogether, Coconino County and Forest Service law enforcement responded to more than 70 campfires outside of developed campgrounds... Four wildfires began over the weekend in Flagstaff and the Coconino National Forest, with the largest at about 3.5 acres near Mormon Lake. Firefighters worked that fire all night on Monday, Walther said. All were human-caused, and all are under investigation." http://azdailysun.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/campfires-lit-despite-bans/article_c125093e-2e55-5ac2-95b5-3fab64859efd.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASS Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Anyone have reports of exactly where the fire near mormon lake was? 6A has a pretty good history of being thick, and a fire would move through there fast! I just dont know what people think, especially with active fires burning! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeardownAZ Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Anyone have reports of exactly where the fire near mormon lake was? 6A has a pretty good history of being thick, and a fire would move through there fast! I just dont know what people think, especially with active fires burning! They dont think. Or for the most part dont care, rules apply to everyone else but them. The penalties need to be more harsh for blatant desregard of our public lands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snapshot Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Most of those people are ignorant of the rules, and don't really care about rules anyway. The proverbial bad apples ruining the whole barrel.. Perfect example is the two boneheads who started the Wallow fire. I just checked, and they got one year in jail, and a $10,000 dollar fine. I think they got off way too easy. 79 million to fight the fire, and millions in property damage. A forest that will take a hundred years or more to regrow. Even when fires are allowed during hunting season, I get sooooooo paranoid. if it is breezy I won't even start a fire. I always have water and fire extinguisher at hand. I had a campfire once where a big knot in the log exploded and caught the grass on fire 20 feet away. I stomped it out quickly, but still.......you never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASS Report post Posted May 30, 2012 They dont think. Or for the most part dont care, rules apply to everyone else but them. The penalties need to be more harsh for blatant desregard of our public lands. You're right, but sadly I doubt harsher penalties would do much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Rabbit Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Anyone have reports of exactly where the fire near mormon lake was? 6A has a pretty good history of being thick, and a fire would move through there fast! http://www.wildlandfire.com/hotlist/showthread.php?t=26675 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BASS Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Thats a great website to reference, thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bonecollector Report post Posted May 30, 2012 Just stupid and irresponsible!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elkaddict Report post Posted May 31, 2012 The forest service needs to post the names of the people and what the fine (if any) was levied. Stiff fines and peer pressure might help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billrquimby Report post Posted May 31, 2012 We had 35- to 50-mph winds in Greer last Friday, the same day the Apache-Sitgreaves Forest imposed fire restrictions. So what did a couple of jerks do to celebrate the ban on fires? They hiked up the Squirrel Springs Trail a short distance and built a campfire! Fortunately, the Greer and Eagar fire departments were called early and were able to contain the blaze to just five acres. If they had not, that fire would have roared down Hall Creek and threatened Crosby Acres, South Fork and the portions of our little village that managed to escape last year's Wallow Fire. The scary part is that their fire got away from them at night, while most of us were sleeping. Bill Quimby Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
June Report post Posted May 31, 2012 For me personally, It boils down to educating others whom are experiencing the outdoors. I'm assuming for their first time. Then again, I'm assuming. But then again, how many of us know how long charcoal burns. Even after being buried(+24hrs) Insane how that stuff burns. I don't care for confrontation like the rest of us. But if you are educated enough in the outdoors. Help those that are not. Walk over to their camp and give them some courtesy advice. It just might save your forest. Understand forrest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tjhunt2 Report post Posted May 31, 2012 For me personally, It boils down to educating others whom are experiencing the outdoors. I'm assuming for their first time. Then again, I'm assuming. But then again, how many of us know how long charcoal burns. Even after being buried(+24hrs) Insane how that stuff burns. I don't care for confrontation like the rest of us. But if you are educated enough in the outdoors. Help those that are not. Walk over to their camp and give them some courtesy advice. It just might save your forest. Understand forrest. Good advise! TJ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heat Report post Posted May 31, 2012 I don't really understand why the heck people need or want a fire this time of year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heat Report post Posted May 31, 2012 Please, unless you are freezing to death, save your campfire for the winter! Tell the kids they can have smores or marshmellows some other time. Yes, they might be dissappointed but that's life. The Gila in New Mexico is burning to the ground as we speak, much like the White Mountains did last summer. Please educate those that don't know better, and call the FS if you have to. Please help us prevent our forests from burning to the ground this summer! Don't light a fire in the forest! Just don't do it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kennyazman Report post Posted June 1, 2012 we camped by big lake this last weekend and like Bill Quimby said, the wind was crazy. we were disappointed that we wernt allowed to have a fire, especially cause it was pretty cold, but we understood why. while we were there our neighbors camping across a meadow from us decided to disregard the rules and have a campfire. the first night they did it my wife said she saw it but no one else did and they must have put it out. but the next night they had another one and my dad, who is not shy from confrontation, yelled at them from across the meadow "Put that fire out!! Cant have a fire!!" they didnt say anything but it was out in a few moments. just stupid to even do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
