Waiting your turn

[111]

I like having the chance to draw a tag every year, but some changes need to be made to the bonus point system. The bonus point system is currently based on random numbers where there's not a big difference in chances of drawing from 2-8 points. I would like to see the system changed where bonus points are multiplied by the same number of points you have. If you have 1 point for the draw then 1 times 1 and you then get 1 random number in the draw. If you have two bonus points, then 2 times 2 and you have 4 numbers in the draw. 3 points you will have 9 numbers. 4 points you get 16 numbers. 5 points and 25 numbers...etc. Do this all the way up to where people with 10 points will have 100 random numbers per person for the draw. This system makes sense to me because each year you do not draw, the bonus point you gain will dramatically increase your odds of drawing and people with low bonus will still have a chance but much lower odds.

[coues krazy]

I Love HUNTING. Sorry my kid made a few post when I wasnt around.

[ultramag]

I have thought about that but how many people have been drawn for bull elk or antelope 2 years in a row?the math makes sense. but i dont know if its that easy of a fix. odds for that would be interesting but i have never seen them or if there is any?

I know that if i got a" bull tag" i would not be disapointed to have to wait a year or two to apply for "bull"again i would buy a bounus point for sure or apply for a cow tag. i think this sounds like a good idea.or mybe the odds would just catch up to itself and it would not matter anymore after a few years who knows it sounds like common sense to me though.

[bowhunter4life]

something has to change this will be my 23 straight year.my dad may missed 1 or 2 years between 10-17 years old. but 1991 -2005 2 bull tags rifle 1993.archery 2000 .archery only since 1995

[DesertBull]

If you make it a 3 year wait, by the end of the 3rd year there will be thousands not able to apply for bull elk. It sure cannot hurt the odds.

 

But if you look at it from the G&F viewpoint, those are thousands of $5 app fees lost.

[bowhunter4life]

$5 per app. adds up real quick.. year after year

[25-06]

But if you look at it from the G&F viewpoint, those are thousands of $5 app fees lost.

BINGO, We have a winner

[Coach]

I understand the motivation behind this idea, but I really think the chances of drawing back to back are slim. Sure, we all hear of it, but I still think it's rare. Most of us wait years in between. I was lucky enough to draw an archery bull tag last year but it took 10 years of applying. I know my chances are slim now, but I'm happy to have that slim chance of drawing again. It will likely be several years before I draw another archery bull tag, but that's just part of the game.

 

I fully support any efforts G&F would make that increase the odds noticeably for those applicants that have high numbers of bonus points. Personally, I would like to see an even higher percentage than 20% go to max bonus point holders. It's only fair that your odds get much better each year, IMO.

 

With regards to Antelope... where do I start? If you look at this state compared with some of our neighbors to the North (and NM) in terms of antelope carrying capacity, I just can't understand why our herd is so weak. I think it has a lot to do with predation, but if I were "King of G&F" for a day, one of my top priorities would be to rebuild the goat heard. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to "import" a bunch of antelope from the NW states and get our herds to the point that coyote predation would not prevent them from flourishing here. When you have almost 0% recruitment rate from year-to-year, there's just not much future for the herds. That said, I think we could get over that hump by bringing in as many antelope as possible so that predation impact would be reduced and the herd strength could grow from year to year.

 

Just some ramblings,

Jason

[DesertBull]

They could up the odds for drawing an antelope tag real quick by making one change. If you apply for early elk, sheep, or North of the Co. River deer, you cannot apply for antelope.

[desertsheep]

There have been some really good reply's. I just wish we could make a few of them happen. I like the idea of mutiplying your points like Nevada does. Your chances would incease a ton when you would start to get up there with your points. Because the bonus point system they have now is bogus.

 

Or do as desertbull suggested and you would have to choose between what you would want to hunt.

 

 

I just know something has to change.

 

 

Desertsheep

[AZP&Y]

Just read this today from Az G &F- For some it may not matter because there were BIG problems with the last minute push for the procrastinators of arizona (and other states) trying to get tags and created a technical nightmare. - ok more tags for us who took the time in advance to do it right!

 

Some of our hunting customers experienced problems in applying online for the fall 2006 big game hunts in the 24 hours leading up to the June 13 application deadline. Ultimately, the Department did not provide you with the level of service you deserve and are entitled to.

 

?Hunters affected by this situation can be assured that all issues will be addressed and that the Department will make every effort to make things right in a fair, accurate and timely manner,? says Duane Shroufe, Department Director.

 

The Department is reconciling the limited number of applications for which there were problems, and we are troubleshooting the system to resolve technical issues for the future. Despite these temporary difficulties, we still anticipate that draw results will be available and hunt permit tags mailed out no later than the planned date of July 28.

 

We apologize for any inconvenience you may have encountered. Customer service is our number one priority, and we are committed to dealing with the issues that caused these problems so that they do not happen again. We appreciate your understanding and ask for your continued support.

 

The Department will continue to provide you with updates on this issue.

 

http://www.azgfd.gov/artman/publish/article_547.shtml

 

AzP&Y

[runningbird]

I think the waiting period would be a great idea. even when I first started bow hunting in 83 I thought this. I remember I got drawn 2 years in a row in 86 and 87 and thought the waiting period would have been good. I believe that and elk hunt in AZ is one of the best hunts in the world. I've never even hit an elk with an arrow but there are not many things I would rather do than hunt elk in a quality hunt.

mark

[Noel Arnold]

Jason,

I have to disagree with your opinion about draw odd's for some people.Living here all my life I know a lot of people who hunt here.Some of the peopleI know have better luck at drawing then other's. I do think that Arizona's way of drawing could be better. And I agree with somebody else's statement about that $5 fee is some motive for the game dep. not making people wait.

Noel

[mzlloader]

Two things here, The 5.00 app fee is going up to 7.50 next year.

 

second, I am an az native have live all of my live here with the exception of a 10 year stint in the army from 1982 to 1992, I started putting in for antelope in 92 and have not missed a year, and still have not drawn a tag.

 

But during that same time frame I have had 3 muzzle loader bull tags and 7 muzzle loader cow tags, and have always had a muzzle loader deer tag, I can draw an elk or deer tag but that dang old lope tag just eludes me bad,

 

I would gladly switch luck with anyone, I just want to get one good lope for the wall then I would not put in again,

 

as far as the elk go I put Bull first choice then cow the next 4 choices, (I like the meat)

[bobbyo]

I think the multiplier method like Nevada's makes the most mathematical sense. Our "bogus Point system" does nothing to increase odds until you have not hunted for 7 or 8 years.

Bob