national monument designation

[coueshunter]

Non-typical, thanks for engaging into AZ wildlife. I am still unclear on many many issues, but to help out, we need to start somewhere. Thanks for not taking Don's jab personally. You are welcome here and in the effort to maintain/enhance AZ wildlife.........Allen Taylor..........

[krp]

Good post non-typical...

 

Anyway, this is a federal issue and my suggestion would for the Governor to play politics and approach this as she did the border... demand that the President make this a monument, threaten to support state legislation... Obama will have Holder sue the state to leave it's designation NF and they beat us again.

 

Kent

[runningbird]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/04/12/20120412arizona-groups-propose-national-monument-near-grand-canyon.html

 

On AZ central this afternoon.

[Non-Typical Solutions]

TLH, I coach here at Snowflake, start out with the Jr. High kids late September, then slide right on into high school. Then I run pee wee program until the end of march, then summer camp and off season tournaments. Never ends.

 

Runningbird thanks for posting the article......

[Snapshot]

Good post non-typical...

 

Anyway, this is a federal issue and my suggestion would for the Governor to play politics and approach this as she did the border... demand that the President make this a monument, threaten to support state legislation... Obama will have Holder sue the state to leave it's designation NF and they beat us again.

 

Kent

 

I like your way of thinking!

[archerycrazy]

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/04/12/20120412arizona-groups-propose-national-monument-near-grand-canyon.html

 

On AZ central this afternoon.

[archerycrazy]

I added the following comment.

 

This is simply an attempt to expand Secretary Salizalar's earlier ruling regarding uranium minting to include the reintroduction of grizzly bear, wolves and jaguar and enhance mountain lion and coyote populations to the detriment of a fantastic Mule Beer herd. It's a direct attack on hunting. It is also an attempt to impede the very effective wildlife management practices of the Arizona Game and Fish Department and several federal agencies. These environmentalists believe that they are better qualified to deal with all wildlife issues.

[bonuspointjohn]

I added the following comment.

 

This is simply an attempt to expand Secretary Salizalar's earlier ruling regarding uranium minting to include the reintroduction of grizzly bear, wolves and jaguar and enhance mountain lion and coyote populations to the detriment of a fantastic Mule Beer herd. It's a direct attack on hunting. It is also an attempt to impede the very effective wildlife management practices of the Arizona Game and Fish Department and several federal agencies. These environmentalists believe that they are better qualified to deal with all wildlife issues.

I would not be so quick to laud the AZGFD. There are people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting, who believe that a "healthy ecosystem" is paramount to anything with human intervention. There are way too many people within the agency who make their living off the wolf program and are tied to the USFWS. By September of this year there will be documentation that will be provided which will show without a doubt that some within the agency think that wolves on the Strip or Kaibab is not a bad thing. Picture 3 metapacks of 250 each running all around Arizona... That is what will have to be fought and it will have to be done within the structure of the EIS comment time frames. You are invited George to contact me with any questions, but please do not think that everyone in the agency has hunter's best interests...BPJ

[Don Martin]

I added the following comment.

 

This is simply an attempt to expand Secretary Salizalar's earlier ruling regarding uranium minting to include the reintroduction of grizzly bear, wolves and jaguar and enhance mountain lion and coyote populations to the detriment of a fantastic Mule Beer herd. It's a direct attack on hunting. It is also an attempt to impede the very effective wildlife management practices of the Arizona Game and Fish Department and several federal agencies. These environmentalists believe that they are better qualified to deal with all wildlife issues.

I would not be so quick to laud the AZGFD. There are people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting, who believe that a "healthy ecosystem" is paramount to anything with human intervention. There are way too many people within the agency who make their living off the wolf program and are tied to the USFWS. By September of this year there will be documentation that will be provided which will show without a doubt that some within the agency think that wolves on the Strip or Kaibab is not a bad thing. Picture 3 metapacks of 250 each running all around Arizona... That is what will have to be fought and it will have to be done within the structure of the EIS comment time frames. You are invited George to contact me with any questions, but please do not think that everyone in the agency has hunter's best interests...BPJ

 

BPJ:

 

You warned me and I didn't listen...

 

Don Martin

[Non-Typical Solutions]

I added the following comment.

 

This is simply an attempt to expand Secretary Salizalar's earlier ruling regarding uranium minting to include the reintroduction of grizzly bear, wolves and jaguar and enhance mountain lion and coyote populations to the detriment of a fantastic Mule Beer herd. It's a direct attack on hunting. It is also an attempt to impede the very effective wildlife management practices of the Arizona Game and Fish Department and several federal agencies. These environmentalists believe that they are better qualified to deal with all wildlife issues.

I would not be so quick to laud the AZGFD. There are people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting, who believe that a "healthy ecosystem" is paramount to anything with human intervention. There are way too many people within the agency who make their living off the wolf program and are tied to the USFWS. By September of this year there will be documentation that will be provided which will show without a doubt that some within the agency think that wolves on the Strip or Kaibab is not a bad thing. Picture 3 metapacks of 250 each running all around Arizona... That is what will have to be fought and it will have to be done within the structure of the EIS comment time frames. You are invited George to contact me with any questions, but please do not think that everyone in the agency has hunter's best interests...BPJ

 

 

I am the out of touch get a life guy trying to make some sound decisions about what is going on and now I am being told that within the AZGFD there are "people within the agency who are directly opposed to hunting"????

 

Now see, that sounds like a black helicopter conspiracy theory right there.

[donniedent]

John and Don are right. It cannot be assumed that everyone within the department likes hunting. The USFWS is lousy with non-hunters and to assume that everyone working for our fine department is pro-hunting would be dangerous. But, thats not to say that we don't have a great dept. We just need to be aware of who we are up against. Knowledge and truth is power.

 

The problem is we feel decieved, plain and simple. Yes it would be wonderful to be a united front but its fairly easy to feel set up by all of this. I blame all parties invovled. I blame AZSFW for trying to slip legislation thru, I blame certain orgs for not taking a solid stand and riding the fence but most of all I blame the legions of apethetic hunters who have sat back and let things happen around them (to include me). The outlook is bleak unless we get more hunters involved in the process. I have been in a debate of sorts on another site with a few that are ready to chop heads off because the computer system was slow when trying to retrieve draw results. Makes me want to puke and really puts into perspective what kind of self centered people we have in our ranks. The hunting community needs an enema!

[azslim]

I run into it a lot working with FS and BLM around the country on wildfires, this hippie city kids that grew up on Walt Disney and his movies and hate hunting, cattle grazing, all the activities that made the west, are now in positions of leadership and it reflects in their decisions. Doesn't surprise me at all that they are in G&F also.

[Don Martin]

I encourage you all to look at the letter that I posted from a friend and very smart man, Mr. Tom Britt, who wrote to the AZ G&F Commission in 2008, warning of all this Grand Canyon stuff.

 

Very insightful on Mr. Britt's part. Read it and be afraid, cause what he predicted is now upon us....

 

Don Martin

[archerycrazy]

John,

 

I don't recall that I said anything in my post that indicated that the AZGFD was perfect or had an entire staff that is prohunting, ant- wolf or anything else. My comment was a generalization regarding my own experiences with the department. The department has a wolf recovery program. Would you assign anti wolf people to that effort? I am not a fan of everything that the Commission or Department has ever done in the past but I respact their efforts to consider the opinion of every Arizonan.

Do I think that every single employee in the department has the best interest of hunters in mind? No. I'm a realist. I will anxiously await your report regarding the infiltration of the department by the anti-hunter crowd.

Can you identify another agency in this state that does not rely on the general fund to get their job done?

George

[TLH]

I think we all need to realize that this state has more than huntable wildlife in it and therefor we have to understand that there will be those people in the department who will work with those species--why would you need a hunter to count how many Bats have white nose diseases? The department is the way it is because the state is the way it is and it isn't all hunters.

 

Diversity is the the way it is and it will always be--try to make it any other way would be a defeat to those who will try. I do believe that we can speak out when we do not agree with what the department does but there still has to be a middle ground--even if we hunters are paying the lion share of the bills...if the other side started paying the lion share of the bills we would lose everything we love very fast..