AZSFW Latest Tactic and ADA and AAF Positions

[40-year-AZ-hunter]

Last night at the ADBSS meeting, it was clear that the Board was unanimously against HB2072. Good for them! Pete Cimellaro and Floyd Green were there pushing ADBSS to "agree with the concept". ADBSS did not bite.

This is clearly the tactic now. Tell us what is wrong (around the edges) and we will fix it, but we need those tags to make the expo work. They are trying to schedule a meeting of many groups for next week to do just that.

 

Pete Cimellaro said that at their meeting last week, ADA agreed with the concept. Funny, that's not what we are hearing - aren't they supposed to be surveying their members? He also said that the Antelope Foundation had agreed in concept at their meeting Monday 3/12. He also mentioned SE Az Sportsmen agreeing in concept.

 

Seems the fight over 2072 "as written" is over, but a much bigger fight now looms. Defeat this whole concept.

 

Pete Cimellaro also made refernce to all the great things that were going on in UT as a result of the work of Don Peay "who is a personal friend of mine" - and that is a quote.

 

Bruce

[runningbird]

WOW, unbelievable and not at the same time. This just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

 

Hope you post this info on all the boards you can.

[Chef]

This has been going on since the start.

I (as well as many others) noticed right away terms like "as it is written" or paid close attention to what is left out of statements and/or conversations.

Basic political speak. Certain individuals behind this push are masters of these tactics. Problem is, they lose the publics trust. They've lost mine.

[elkaholic]

- ada leadership is really showing its true colors - why have a letter to ask what the members want when the leaders have already decided.

not only are the all for the idea of 2072 they are out actively lobbing for it!!

 

how do they sit and say one thing -- knowing its all B.S.

 

it's all about the money making EXPO!!!! SFW stink all over it !

[DesertBull]

email I just received from the ABA.

 

 

The ABA recently sent a letter out to its membership via email, asking for your position on the HB2072. The results from this survey showed overwhelming opposition with over 95% of members that replied were against HB2072 legislation.

 

In response to this the ABA board of directors has voted to oppose legislation known as HB2072. We encourage you to get involved by contacting your legislators and express your views and concerns on this issue.

 

 

 

Thank you for your support[

 

Carl Schottel

 

ABA Chairman

[elkaholic]

wow - ADA finally does the right thing as far as saying they are against a bill that is dead!

 

 

 

Any new votes for new leadership at the ADA poll

 

 

HEY WHAT ABOUT SUPPORT for AZSfW !!!!!

 

i thought that was what the vote was about '

thats why i requested someone to post the email / letter

 

WHAT A JOKE!!

[Snapshot]

email I just received from the ABA.

 

 

The ABA recently sent a letter out to its membership via email, asking for your position on the HB2072. The results from this survey showed overwhelming opposition with over 95% of members that replied were against HB2072 legislation.

 

In response to this the ABA board of directors has voted to oppose legislation known as HB2072. We encourage you to get involved by contacting your legislators and express your views and concerns on this issue.

 

 

 

Thank you for your support[

 

Carl Schottel

 

ABA Chairman

 

I emailed Carl in response to HB2072. He was kind enough to email back. Glad to hear they are against it.

[Ringer]

Pete C. is absolutely a liar. I found an old post from Don Martin where he said Pete stood in front of the Mojave Sportman's Club back when AZSFW was formed and told them no way would raffle or auction tags ever be part of AZSFW like they were in Utah. He should have no place in any organization representing average hunters in our state.

[Chef]

wow - ADA finally does the right thing as far as saying they are against a bill that is dead!

then Active members - PETE , FLOYD go to a meeting and stand and state ada supports it! WOW

Any new votes for new leadership at the ADA poll

HEY WHAT ABOUT SUPPORT for AZSfW !!!!!

i thought that was what the vote was about '

thats why i requested someone to post the email / letter

WHAT A JOKE!! what a bunch of B.S.

 

 

Gary,

Just to be clear, this is the ABA and not the ADA that voted against it. The Az Deer Assoc has yet to give a statement.

Although, you can probably guess how that will turn out, then you can post the same thing again when that happens.

[elkaholic]

ADA - ABA - - ok-- like a who's who

 

ABA is listed as a member of the azsfw!!!

 

this whole stinkin mess is givin me headache

 

it'll be a 3 finger night -tonight !

[azhunter42]

We are knew that from the beginning that ADA is all about the money.A bunch of liars who say one thing but do another.They are all waiting to see if another bill that mirrors the 2072 gets pushed thru.When are there members going to drop them?I just don't get why they have not left ADA yet.

[AZLance]

Amanda as a board member of ADA you are in bed wih the enemy! Are you sticking with them or resigning?

[audsley]

I had thought some of Peay's recent comments would lead AZSFW supporters to distance themselves from him. Instead they seem to be doubling down.

 

Here's some Don Peay thinking. You decide whether you agree with it.

 

To end hunting 'socialism'

 

Rossi's move to give landowners special rights to the wildlife on their property coincides with the ideology of Don Peay, a Utah guide and founder of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife.

 

Peay, who stressed that the Utah chapter isn't trying to push its view in Alaska or even with the Alaska chapter, said it's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource. Peay described that egalitarian doctrine, found in Alaska's state constitution and laws throughout the West, as "socialism." It offers no economic incentive for landowners to kill predators, improve big game habitat and even provide food and water for target species.

 

"We understand the North American model where wildlife belongs to the people, but we're also seeing dramatic reductions in game populations in the western United States under that model," he said. Population pressure, habitat loss from development and the rise of environmental organizations opposed to predator control have put pressure on game herds that weren't envisioned when the laws were written a century or more ago, he said.

 

"When wildlife is a very highly valued asset, people want more of it and they'll invest additional funds to make sure it's abundant," Peay said.

The same is true of professional guides and outfitters, he added. "They tend to be more involved to make sure there's abundant game herds than a lot of guys who just buy their license the day before the hunt starts and then, when game disappears, the masses tend to complain -- but what did they do to allow that situation to happen and why weren't they more involved to fix it?"

Wildlife as huntable livestock? Is that what we want in Arizona? And since most huntable game is on state and federal lands, should grazing permittees be allowed to manipulate game populations and cash in too?

 

Maybe this isn't such a bad idea. Given a financial incentive to grow big-antlered ungulates and lots of 'em, possibly by using special feed supplements, breeding wildlife in pens for better control of genetics and marketing "cull" animals to the lower classes, Arizona could become a big game hunter's paradise. Of course, all that investment in wildlife will have to show a profit, so don't expect 400-point bulls at the low prices we have today. Those will go to the people whose fees cover the cost to make the game animal in a more marketable configuration. The rest of us will have to settle for knowing that someone else is hunting bigger animals than we ever did because now wildlife is receiving enhanced care.

 

(Personal opinion - I tend to look at antler enhancement via controlled nutrition and supplements the same way I happen to view breast enhancements. Anything manipulated to augment what nature didn't provide in abundance actually detracts from the original product. But that's just my opinion. Obviously others think differently.)

 

And of course the landowners - or lessees, as the case would be in Arizona - will need to do something about those pesky predators. Can't have high-value deer or elk that are expensive to raise getting eaten by lions. Predator control is a rallying cry for all the Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife groups around the West (Alaska, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Idaho and here in Arizona as well.) I'm just wondering how they plan to do it, especially in Arizona where most of the land is public. But how would you go about doing that in today's world? Do AZSFW's strategists plan to start using 1080 again and simply tell the Feds to shove it? Or does AZSFW plan to start trapping on public lands and tell the people of Arizona to mind their own business? Or are we going to eventually have mega-fundraisers to put hundreds of helicopters in the air to blast coyotes, and dozens of houndsmen on the ground for months at a time to shear down the lion population? Significantly reducing predator populations throughout Arizona would be a massive undertaking that would take years to accomplish assuming judges and voters would even let you do it.

 

Maybe we should ask any AZSFW supporters who show up March 22 how they plan to accomplish this.

[Chef]

Amanda as a board member of ADA you are in bed wih the enemy! Are you sticking with them or resigning?

 

 

Amanda is away from the forum doing field work through Friday.

Just in case you were expecting a response from her and don't get it.

[elkaholic]

yep-- a 3 finger shot - gives one a different perspective of things!

 

especially if one doesn't indulge much!